02:33 ztrot: so has MMzz talked with you about the number of MATs we should allow to get through this round?
02:33 Garven: We spoke briefly on it
02:33 ztrot: I suggested a clean 3/3 break between the MAT/BAT = 3 mat 3 bat
02:33 Garven: We'll probably do around 5-7
02:33 ztrot: 6 new staff
02:34 Garven: Depends on who ends up with the top notes
02:34 Garven: votes
02:34 ztrot: 5-7 eh? So what pro's con's would those two numbers give?
02:34 ztrot: obv pros more team members
02:35 Garven: I don't see why we'd hold back on people that are already good to go
02:35 ztrot: but it has been shown in the past that large additions causes lack for team soical skills.
02:35 Garven: How so?
02:36 ztrot: Well, tons of new faces, but I never see us getting to know the new faces I try to go out of my way to get to know some of the staff but others are very relucent to reply
02:36 ztrot: Well, tons of new faces, but I never see us getting to know the new faces I try to go out of my way to get to know some of the staff but others are very relucent to reply
02:37 ztrot: I'm just letting you know what I've seen happen, I can't say it will play out the same.
02:38 ztrot: keeping the promotions on a even footing is never a bad thing either.
02:39 ztrot: thus the 3/3 MAT/BAT idea came to mind.
02:42 Garven: Maybe poping them in sets of 3
02:42 Garven: So say we have 6ish people we want in, do the 3/3 then next month pop in the next 3
02:43 Garven: Hold another voting around next quarter
02:43 ztrot: That doesn't sound like a bad idea
02:43 ztrot: it also give them time to get to know the staff without it growing so fast
02:44 ztrot: gives*
02:44 ztrot: I'm a little late on reviewing all the apps atm
02:44 ztrot: been so busy trying to get work and the like.
02:46 ztrot: tbh, I'm sure you already know but I'm kinda upset that I wasn't even considered for helping with this
02:47 ztrot: and even more so that I was removed because this wasn't needed (not that I wouldn't of after said events, but who know how it would of turned out.)
02:47 ztrot: and even more so that I was removed because this wasn't needed (not that I wouldn't of after said events, but who know how it would of turned out.)
02:47 Garven: This was kinda dropped on me, haha
02:48 Garven: Apparently since I actually bothered to review all 90 applications I'm suddenly in charge.
02:48 ztrot: I've always really felt this was needed and I'm overjoyed that the system is resorting to this again! But, at the same time I'm freaking mad jelly that I was just ignored.
02:48 ztrot: I've always really felt this was needed and I'm overjoyed that the system is resorting to this again! But, at the same time I'm freaking mad jelly that I was just ignored.
02:48 Garven: I can do it, that's fine, but it's going to cut into my time for other things is all.
02:49 Garven: Well, I'm always open to suggestions
02:49 ztrot: Even more so after the last time I butted heads with peppy to get this going again. then out of nowhere poof
02:49 Garven: I'm not even sure what prompted the new voting
02:49 Garven: Only through rumor
02:49 ztrot: me and mmzz
02:49 Garven: Due to Eph bumping dkun
02:49 ztrot: yep
02:50 Garven: peppy revoking that, prompting the new vote for more staff or something
02:50 ztrot: what happend I was there
02:50 ztrot: is dkun auto got mat through acp by eph
02:50 Garven: I always miss the fun stuff due to work, haha
02:50 ztrot: sorta reckless
02:50 ztrot: imo
02:50 Garven: Sounds like Eph though
02:50 ztrot: peppy logged in
02:50 ztrot: removed it and then eph jumped his ass
02:51 ztrot: so then peppy said to do a thread
02:51 ztrot: and mmzz wanted to do the mat apps again
02:51 ztrot: I told him to go for it
02:51 ztrot: but peppy was just gonna pick names from the list again if the voting stayed the same
02:51 ztrot: so me and MMzz reworked the voting
02:52 ztrot: and then bam he got team rights and so did you
02:52 ztrot: all the while I was out looking for work
02:52 ztrot: T.T
02:52 ztrot: I'm not saying you guys aren't great for the job
02:52 ztrot: tbh I'm glad it is the two of you
02:52 ztrot: but my feels
02:53 ztrot: I'm being a bit childish about it yes
02:53 ztrot: I spent so much time on the MAT tho
02:53 Garven: I can see why you'd feel that way.  
02:53 ztrot: it was like my best achivement not just for me but the community imo
02:54 Garven: Though as I said, I'm always open to suggestion, so if you want to push for something, I'm all ears.
02:54 Garven: So far I kinda feel like I'm stonewalling MMzz at times though haha
02:54 ztrot: and to see it move on without me.... enough of that tho
02:54 ztrot: my main goal is to help you guys make this not overwhelming
02:54 Garven: Kinda shot down his ideas for some changes
02:54 ztrot: so a few things we need to think about
02:54 ztrot: to apps decay?
02:55 ztrot: do*
02:55 ztrot: personally I think they should have to reapply the next voting phase I.E if we do uphold a quarter based cycle
02:56 Garven: It should be fine. Especially considering we ask for "best mods"
02:56 Garven: You'd think they'd have at least a refrsh on that
02:57 ztrot: it shows they are really adamant on getting the staff place as well
02:57 ztrot: another thing is something that the team needs to all vote on I would think is should MAT/BAT rounds always be held together?
03:00 ztrot: Something I really feel should be done for the entire team but even more on the MAT side is postivite reinforcement, we need to let them all know we work together and if they have questions to ask us, if they do good they should know if they are doing bad there isn't a reason imo to call them out on it but instead pull them aside and talk it out.
03:00 ztrot: Something I really feel should be done for the entire team but even more on the MAT side is postivite reinforcement, we need to let them all know we work together and if they have questions to ask us, if they do good they should know if they are doing bad there isn't a reason imo to call them out on it but instead pull them aside and talk it out.
03:00 ztrot: Something I really feel should be done for the entire team but even more on the MAT side is postivite reinforcement, we need to let them all know we work together and if they have questions to ask us, if they do good they should know if they are doing bad there isn't a reason imo to call them out on it but instead pull them aside and talk it out.
03:01 Garven: I have noticed there is a lot of reluctance when they want to push a new idea forward
03:01 Garven: They tend to come ask me in PM if it's okay before they post about it
03:01 Garven: I guess it's intimidating for some, hehe
03:01 ztrot: That is because too many feel the 2nd they have that title they shouldn't fuck up
03:02 Garven: I can understand why, but trying to have that kind of open environment would be great.  How could we show that beyond just example?
03:02 ztrot: there is no postive backing to them getting this
03:02 Garven: Yeah, that's why I kinda stonewalled MMzz's ideas
03:02 Garven: He wanted to get a system to bump off inactive people
03:02 ztrot: no
03:02 ztrot: that isn't the awnswer
03:02 ztrot: never will be
03:02 Garven: Yeah.
03:03 Garven: It'd be a huge pain to manage and only be a detriment on morale
03:03 ztrot: instead what you need to do is give incentive to do well
03:03 ztrot: and the greats will shine, and the upandcoming will do hard to shine just as bright.
03:03 ztrot: I know I might sound like I'm stuck on repeat
03:04 ztrot: but a "good job" those little words
03:04 ztrot: mean a great deal to some.
03:06 Garven: I suddenly thought of a cheesy "MAT of the month!"
03:06 ztrot: for example, in the month of feb we had over 200 ranks! we almost hit our overall ranking limit! Great job guys lots of hard work and decent bubbles and hearts this month!
03:06 ztrot: for example, in the month of feb we had over 200 ranks! we almost hit our overall ranking limit! Great job guys lots of hard work and decent bubbles and hearts this month!
03:07 Garven: Having a monthly stat sheet would be pretty nice
03:07 Garven: I wonder if it' spossible to track number of bubbles given
03:07 ztrot: we had lots of activity from said XAT here- really showing that teamwork pays off
03:07 ztrot: going too in depth would do more harm than good tho
03:08 Garven: Well, it'd be nice from the management-side to see the full statsheet
03:08 ztrot: we don't want to discourage the ones doing less than others
03:08 Garven: And just release what's relavent for a generalize team stat sheet
03:08 ztrot: going off the basic mod rankings would suffice
03:08 ztrot: activity is the 1st step
03:09 ztrot: activity in modding is the next
03:09 ztrot: but that is some time off I think
03:09 ztrot: I had so many great ideas I never got to try.
03:09 ztrot: maybe you two can spin them in the right way that they would work for all
03:10 Garven: Need to get a good wording of a proposal and it shouldn't be too difficult me thinks
03:10 Garven: At lesat for peppy, hehe
03:10 ztrot: yep
03:10 ztrot: true story 99.9% of my ideas are accepted after I have some one fix my egrish for peppy to read.
03:11 ztrot: you should of seen my bubble draft <.<
03:12 ztrot: But run the 3/3 idea by mmzz see what he thinks.
03:15 Garven: Yeah.  Also like the monthly stat report.  It's good to see numbers (at least for me)
03:16 ztrot: I would start it out small and go off numbers of the modder ranking to start with
03:17 ztrot: if it takes off and is well recived
03:17 ztrot: we can go to peppy about making it more high tech
03:18 Garven: I don't see why giving the original proposal with everything in there to see what is even possible and whittle it down to what is needed.
03:21 ztrot: because peppy.
03:21 ztrot: XD
03:21 ztrot: really with him if you do it all out bells and whistles
03:21 ztrot: he will say no
03:21 ztrot: because it would make him have to implement something right away
03:22 ztrot: you start out small make a demand for it and he has no choice
03:22 ztrot: that sounds sorta evil doesn't it D:
03:22 Garven: I don't mind simply starting out with everything to see waht is possible, then ask for the probable
03:23 ztrot: feel free to give it a shot
03:23 ztrot: I've read peppy wrong before.
03:33 ztrot: oh man
03:33 ztrot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFsoz0IH44
03:33 ztrot: I lol'ed so hard
03:37 Garven: Mmm, Reel Big Fish.  Haven't heard their stuff for awhile