00:16 <iDwarf> : Are you here, Derek?
00:18 <iDwarf> : i have one question about chat moderation, so please don't ignore
01:08 <Derek> : i'm here now
01:08 <iDwarf> : okay
01:08 <iDwarf> : let me explain
01:09 <iDwarf> : i met a situation when a user offenses moderator
01:09 <iDwarf> : and moderator does nothing
01:09 <Derek> : alright
01:09 <iDwarf> : when i asked why
01:09 <iDwarf> : i was surprised
01:09 <iDwarf> : he told that there is a rule 
01:10 <iDwarf> : so he can't ban the one who offended if he offended moderator
01:10 <iDwarf> : maybe my english is a bit naab
01:10 <Derek> : no, I understand you fine
01:11 <Derek> : so what is the question?
01:11 <iDwarf> : but i just want to know why moderator can't deal with violator
01:11 <iDwarf> : if violator offenses him
01:12 <Derek> : well, it's a bit of gray area
01:12 <Derek> : because we're not supposed to be biased on our actions
01:12 <Derek> : for example: if I hate person A, I can't just ban them because they're acting silly and I don't like them
01:12 <iDwarf> : wait wait
01:12 <iDwarf> : biased?
01:12 <iDwarf> : he offended me
01:13 <iDwarf> : violated the rule
01:13 <iDwarf> : why can't i deal with it
01:13 <Derek> : but if the person is seriously causing trouble, and offending the moderator, then they should probably take action
01:13 <iDwarf> : so in some hard cases
01:13 <Derek> : it's a bit hard to explain without an example
01:14 <iDwarf> : hmm
01:14 <iDwarf> : i promised that i won't tell any names
01:14 <iDwarf> : so i can't give you an example
01:15 <Derek> : that's fine then
01:16 <Derek> : I'll try my own example then
01:16 <Derek> : say that person B is harassing me
01:17 <Derek> : it might seem a bit unfair for me to be the person to ban them
01:17 <iDwarf> : hmm
01:18 <iDwarf> : in my situation, one moderator called another moderator for help
01:18 <iDwarf> : but that's just a waste of time
01:18 <iDwarf> : the result will be similar
01:18 <Derek> : it's not always a waste of times
01:19 <Derek> : and it never hurts to get another person's opinion
01:20 <iDwarf> : that moderator asked for my opinion 
01:20 <iDwarf> : even though i'm not a moderator, i'm still a normal human
01:20 <iDwarf> : and have some morals
01:21 <Derek> : right
01:21 <iDwarf> : if only that moderator weren't afraid of you :)
01:22 <iDwarf> : this is the only reason i'm not telling any names
01:22 <iDwarf> : so let's summarize
01:23 <iDwarf> : moderator can deal with badguys in some hard cases on his own
01:23 <iDwarf> : but mostly he must get some more about picture of the situation
01:24 <iDwarf> : and he can get it from other people which he knows 
01:24 <Derek> : correct
01:24 <Derek> : it's really a case-by-case type of situation
01:24 <iDwarf> : it wasn't just thin trolling
01:25 <iDwarf> : it was faaat impudence
01:26 <iDwarf> : well, ok
01:26 <iDwarf> : thanks for your time, derek