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00:53 - Nue: I'm probably going to go off to bed now myself. I am interested if you'd have an idea of what extent sociology would benefit psychology. I seem to be into the psychosocial aspect of the science with my choice diagram and 'establishment of relations between individuals' thoughts. I managed to get a years worth of college work out of a childhood freind so it could help. Maybe.
00:54 - Coffer: I'll think about it once I get back, definitely
00:55 - Nue: I'll have to look through it in full to see the extent but a general idea would be good. I'll speak to you tomorrow then. G'night, and good luck.
00:55 - Coffer: Alright, sleep well and thanks for the chat
17:08 - Coffer: Have you found anything on psychology and sociology?
17:09 - Nue: Haven't started looking into it much, been more interested in the prevalence of Autism/Aspergers and the interests it can develop along with the ages it may kick in.
17:10 - Coffer: Fair enough, I should let you keep analyzing those
17:11 - Nue: A thought occured to me that the year I started getting into Touhou is when my autism started to become noticable by others, and impacted social interaction. Wondering if it's just a coincidence or something more, so I might as well occupy myself.
17:12 - Nue: The potential withdrawal to focus on games, particularly the series may have shifted my focus from social to self.
17:12 - Coffer: It's likely to be a coincidence, although looking at /jp/ you might be tempted to think otherwise
17:12 - Coffer: In my case it became noticable long before I got into 2hu, and it's not like I got into it late or anything, so who knows
17:13 - Coffer: It may well be that Touhou just has this strange tendency to attract such people
17:13 - Coffer: The impact on social interaction is likely as a result of you focusing on (and liking) something that likely did not interest many others, which also happened to keep you away from those people
17:17 - Nue: Exactly. I played many games, but those that I did weren't the ones in the group's interest. San Andreas was fun and all, but eh. I don't feel /jp/ influenced my thoughts in that sense, though they made me take notice of a form of social anxiety I adopted due to 4chen views.
17:18 - Nue: That thread with the interest in Touhou communities in particular. Other threads are saved on my harddrive though I've forgotten the particular reason I downloaded them.
17:19 - Coffer: Eh, I think it's a bit unfair to just take what /jp/ says into account - the community is made up of very large groups, and it's mostly only those that come into contact with /jp/ that really display any problems regarding social interaction and the like
17:22 - Coffer: And eh, you can have more normalfag-ish tastes in games as well without it making much of a difference
17:22 - Coffer: Racing games are very popular, F1 is very popular, yet it doesn't really change anything in my case
17:23 - Coffer: Speaking of which, that thing about showing excessive interest in a topic - here, I just pointed out one such case
17:33 - Nue: That excessive interest being Formula One? I do have a normal interest in games, though as of late that interest has been waning. Though that's probably due to me just not really doing anything at all.
17:34 - Coffer: Yep, F1. Been that way since I was 3, although, surprisingly, my autistic tendencies started to show later than that. And we're pretty much on the same page when it comes to interest in games (aside from our actual interests, of course, since we have different tastes).
17:45 - Nue: Bah, I'll have to look into this more when I go to my doctor this month. He statemented me, so he might have information regarding it. I'd still like to see a pattern between age and intensity of interest towards a certain topic.
17:46 - Coffer: There's a lot more that goes into it than just age, but yeah, it would be best if you heard about it from your doctor
17:46 - Coffer: Since he's extremely likely to know more on the topic
17:46 - Coffer: Far more
17:46 - Coffer: Than me I mean
17:47 - Nue: Somehow reminded me, but how'd the exam go?
17:47 - Coffer: Badly, but that doesn't matter
17:52 - Nue: But it's an exam. When do you get the results?
17:52 - Coffer: 12th, so I won't know until then
17:55 - Nue: I hate waiting for results. Especially ones where you get them close to the next academic year. Apply for a college only to find out you don't have enough marks to go there. Potentially devastating.
17:56 - Coffer: This is exactly what's going to happen for me, the wait is just a small element compared to the assurance that what I did wasn't enough
17:57 - Coffer: And yes, I can legitimately say that I got unlucky - we were supposed to get easier tasks than the ones who focus more on subjects such as Romanian, but we got harder ones instead
17:57 - Coffer: Which pretty much prompted a country-wide outrage
17:59 - Nue: Pretty sure something similar to that happened over here too. Wrong exam paper handed out, with topics that weren't studied in the paper. Does that mean you've already applied to another college then?
17:59 - Coffer: I'll still wait until the 12th before I do that, but really, I should get ready for that
18:06 - Coffer: Great, now I feel like puking for some reason
18:07 - Nue: Have you eaten much recently? The idea of food may put you off but you have to replace what you've thrown up. Absence of food can also cause imbalance.
18:08 - Coffer: Yeah, I ate a few hours ago, I don't think that's the problem
18:08 - Coffer: I've felt ill since I woke up
18:10 - Nue: I'd mention lack of sleep, but you might've gone back to sleep after your exam, since you Tweeted about not wanting to wake up or something along those lines.
18:10 - Coffer: Yep, I slept for about 4 hours after I got home
18:10 - Coffer: I have no idea what might be causing it
18:17 - Nue: I can't seem to think of anything that could cause it, apart from a diet imbalance (which is improbable), heat causing the internal system to go haywire, or just some bug induced illness.
18:17 - Coffer: It could well be heat, considering the rain is all but gone now, but I dunno
18:18 - Coffer: It still makes me feel very uneasy
18:18 - Coffer: I also should be studying right now
18:21 - Nue: Oh, sorry. I doubt I'm helping in that regard, so I'll leave you be. Sooner it's out of the way, the better.
18:21 - Coffer: No no no, that's not what I meant
18:21 - Coffer: I can just work here, at my desk
18:21 - Coffer: Also if you're planning on playing Dota 2, let me know
18:21 - Coffer: Though it would be best if you finally gave a real match a shot
18:24 - Nue: Definitely. I'm not sure which hero to choose though. I intend to win my first game, heh.
18:25 - Nue: Might be Silencer due to his support potencial and his ability to do solid damage later in the game.
18:26 - Coffer: Give him a shot then, though you really should concentrate on carrying games while you're in the lower brackets
18:26 - Coffer: Also the first few games are mostly there to put you in the right bracket, so they won't be all that balanced
18:27 - Coffer: (you'll probably be matched with other new people, who may be shit or amazing, or just smurfs (ie people who make new accounts just to stomp worse people))
18:28 - Nue: The horror
18:30 - Coffer: It'll be fine
18:30 - Coffer: Hopefullky
18:30 - Coffer: Hopefully*
18:33 - Nue: I'll have to find a moment when I want to jump into the game then. Also thinking about using that Rod of Atos (?) on Silencer, gives a stun and intelligence boost for his glaives.
18:33 - Coffer: You are a genius
18:33 - Coffer: Atos is an extremely underrated item and it's great on him
18:33 - Coffer: The slow is excellent because it gives him more killing potential, and the stats are very impressive - more int is always great, and the HP helps his squishiness a lot
18:34 - Coffer: Also it's a slow, not a stun, but it's great nonetheless, especially for its cost
18:35 - Nue: Some time this week, for sure. I find that Last Word and CotS is pretty good at low level harass, so getting that could score a kill or two early game. Of course, bots are not people so that remains to be seen.
18:35 - Coffer: Curse used to be significantly better early on, and an exceptional harassing tool, but it's slightly worse now
18:35 - Coffer: Never use it until you have at least two points in it, that's for sure
18:36 - Coffer: Last Word just hits very hard, so it's good for early damage, securing kills or scoring an important single-target silence for those who rely on casting multiple spells in a short amount of time
18:36 - Coffer: Also, one rank in glaives helps your intelligence gain (since you gain int whenever you kill someone) and manually casting it does not aggro the creeps, making it good for harassment
18:41 - Nue: Will I have to worry about Wards online, both placing them and enemy wards? I understand they can render some items useless, and makes suprise ganks tougher to initiate.
18:43 - Coffer: Yep, definitely
18:43 - Coffer: Their use is pretty damn important, but don't be surprised if you don't see people buy any until you get higher up
18:44 - Coffer: You need to keep an eye on the minimap and on your surroundings at all times, and most people can't actually do that
18:58 - Coffer: Yeah I still lack the motivation to study for some reason
18:59 - Nue: What exam are you studying for next? Wasn't it maths or something along those lines?
18:59 - Nue: Maths or science, definitely.
19:00 - Coffer: Yep, maths
19:05 - Nue: Urgh, maths. I'd definitely advise you to try and get the revision done, even if it's just a quick skim through. Of course, it's really boring so I probably get why you're not finding motivation from.
19:19 - Coffer: Ugh I'm seriously worried about my results, not just because I won't make it to the UK (which is pretty much assured now), but also because I might've flunked the Romanian one completely
19:19 - Coffer: It'll be total and utter humiliation if I don't pass it at all
19:31 - Nue: You won't be able to come to the UK if you don't pass Romanian, or the others as well as Romanian? I'm guessing that's the University's requirements. The only way to prevent it is to revise and hope that you remember what you revised.
19:31 - Coffer: Yep, the first requirement is an average of 9.5 for Warwick or 9 for Salford
19:32 - Coffer: That means I need a minimum of 8.5 on Romanian for Warwick, or 7 for Salford
19:32 - Coffer: Both of which are out of the question most likely
19:34 - Nue: Unless you didn't intentionally fluke the exam, I don't really seem why you'd fail it. At the same time though, you did mention that it'd be your toughest exam.
19:35 - Coffer: The last topic was worth 3 points (rather, 30 out of 100), and we ended up getting something that I didn't know anything about
19:35 - Coffer: Poetry
19:36 - Coffer: The worst kind of it as well, which is even worse when you consider that the guys who were supposed to get the harder parts had it easier here
19:36 - Coffer: (symbolism for them, modernism etc for us)
19:38 - Coffer: Also don't worry about quietess, he's a natural rager and he's not exactly all that good
19:38 - Coffer: And he likes annoying people
19:45 - Nue: Hopefully you've passed it though. Are there any alternatives to those two universities though?
19:46 - Coffer: Definitely, I've already spoken to the instructor and there are countless options
19:46 - Coffer: But I need an average of around 8 or more
19:46 - Coffer: Which shouldn't be a problem if I get, say, a 9+ on Maths and ace Programming
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19:56 - Nue: Then I hope that you pass those two with flying colours then. I'd hate to see someone's hopes dashed due to an exam mix-up.
19:56 - Coffer: Eh, I'd rather not even think about it, really
19:56 - Coffer: I just want these exams to be done so I can focus on chatting with people again
19:56 - Coffer: And just analyzing stuff
19:57 - Coffer: If I do fuck up and don't make it to either Warwick or Salford, I'll do what I can to reorient myself towards psychology
20:11 - Coffer: If you don't feel like playing real games yet you could also watch some page 1 games and try to see what high tier matches are like and how certain heroes/roles are meant to be played etc
20:13 - Nue: That's a good idea. Is there a way to filter games with a specific hero being played, or no?
20:13 - Coffer: Yep, it's actually the only thing you can filter in the list of live games
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20:18 - Nue: Perfect. I'll just finish up this Koishi Ohayou thing. The one Lego posted seemed to have the hair too bright, the one Alaitoc used seemed nicer.
20:18 - Nue: Looks nicer with gray hair to me but eh.
20:18 - Coffer: Good taste
20:19 - Coffer: Get to it then, I don't really have his version so I can't help out on that, but it shouldn't take you too long
20:20 - Nue: Just need to fix the eye lining and it's finished. I already added his to the collection when I first saw it. I think the expression it has is unique, though I haven't looked through recently.
20:23 - Nue: GODDAMN IT. Nevermind, all work got deleted. Time to watch stuff.
20:23 - Coffer: ow, how'd you manage that
20:24 - Nue: I saved the file, and it created a duplicate. Clicking one file would select the other, so when I tried to delete the old version
20:24 - Nue: It deleted the newer edit too. GG Windows
20:25 - Coffer: Ouch, so you no longer have any of them?
20:25 - Coffer: That's a bit annoying, though I've never really had something like that happen before
20:27 - Nue: I haven't either, which is why I didn't know what would happen. I'll go back to /jp/ there's bound to be a Koishi post. Not downloading the collection again for one picture.
20:27 - Coffer: Pretty unfortunate then
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20:40 - Nue: 50 seconds first blood. Step up sempai
20:40 - Coffer: >no wards
20:40 - Coffer: I have no wards to describe this
20:40 - Coffer: Okay it's 1 minute in so maybe it's a bit better
20:40 - Coffer: What the fuck is that Storm doing
20:41 - Nue: Also what kind of enemies do you encounter since you're leveled more than others and Quietess?
20:41 - Coffer: What do you mean by that
20:41 - Nue: SILENCER NOOO
20:41 - Nue: You're level probably gets people in a higher skill bracket, right?
20:42 - Coffer: Yep, not that I'm particularly high up or anything
20:42 - Coffer: wow, that storm is bad
20:42 - Nue: Are you watching the same game as I?
20:42 - Coffer: Yep
20:43 - Nue: Storm pls
20:43 - Coffer: This doesn't seem to be a particularly high level game
20:45 - Coffer: >phase boots on Witch Doctor
20:45 - Coffer: Why
20:45 - Nue: Early damage and get away. Or stupidity, I dunno how he plays
20:46 - Coffer: Most likely the latter, since you really really need arcane boots on him
20:46 - Coffer: But he's shutting Morphling down somehow
20:46 - Coffer: At least Dire have some wards up, even though they're losing
20:47 - Nue: Already stolen 10 Int. Nice.
20:47 - Coffer: That's why you get at least one level in glaives early on
20:47 - Coffer: That and for the sheer harassment potential
20:47 - Nue: PUDGE. Could've Hook Shotted Storm into the tower and creeps
20:48 - Nue: Instead stands near the edge and gets ambushed
20:48 - Coffer: >hook shotted
20:48 - Coffer: Just say hooked
20:48 - Coffer: It's much more natural
20:48 - Coffer: Also Storm is extremely mobile so it would be hard to hook him
20:48 - Coffer: ...I say that as he dies to Pudge
20:51 - Coffer: ahahaha that leap
20:51 - Coffer: thankfully storm survived
20:58 - Nue: Russian?
20:58 - Coffer: that russian morph
20:58 - Nue: Russian.
20:58 - Coffer: Russian doto best doto
20:59 - Nue: Storm should've saved that Illusion, right?
21:00 - Coffer: Nah, illusion isn't all that useful on him, whereas the mana most definitely is
21:00 - Coffer: He needs those charges
21:00 - Coffer: well that was a strange silence
21:00 - Nue: How so?
21:00 - Nue: I missed it.
21:01 - Coffer: I don't even know what he used it for
21:01 - Coffer: Maybe to get Sand King out of the sandstorm? Hardly helped since nobody did anything, and the guy just walked away
21:02 - Nue: Why couldn't Quietess be like this Pudge instead of going 0-19
21:02 - Nue: 0-10*
21:03 - Coffer: This Pudge isn't even playing all that well, which is even funnier
21:03 - Coffer: Russian doto best doto
21:05 - Nue: "Ahaha"
21:05 - Nue: Hue
21:06 - Coffer: that chase
21:06 - Coffer: and mirana escaping
21:06 - Coffer: goddamnit russia
21:06 - Coffer: communism strikes back
21:06 - Nue: GLORY TO THE MOTHERLAND
21:06 - Coffer: all that team needs now is a Romanian player
21:06 - Coffer: So we can safely say that Ceausescu has risen from the dead
21:07 - Nue: He has an amazing attack speed though. Are Romanians supposed to be infamous for something, like BRs and Russians?
21:07 - Coffer: Not really, we're just horrible at everything in general and we're poorfags
21:08 - Coffer: Romanian players tend to be very unpopular as well due to their horrible attitude, and this goes for the pro scene as well (CWM)
21:08 - Nue: Silencer is building a Mjolnir?
21:08 - Coffer: Nope, BKB
21:09 - Nue: Fuck, I clicked out by accident
21:09 - Coffer: Pretty obvious to see why, considering how many disables and how much magic damage the enemy team has
21:09 - Coffer: Not that it's really much of an issue anymore since the game's almost over
21:09 - Coffer: welp
21:09 - Coffer: Find another match, this one isn't all that great anyway
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21:12 - Coffer: I wanted to say that this could be a higher tier match
21:12 - Coffer: But VS got boots first
21:12 - Coffer: Fucking hell
21:12 - Nue: Never get Boots first, even I know this. I think
21:13 - Coffer: Yep
21:13 - Coffer: Aside from that, however, their ward placement is good and they have a solid trilane going
21:13 - Coffer: Dire's in a similar position
21:14 - Nue: I didn't even notice Silencer, I removed his filter. Kewl, rooting for him
21:14 - Nue: Also the hell is that thing with the animation reset
21:14 - Coffer: Where, I just missed it
21:14 - Nue: It's probably a technique. Zoa was doing it I think.
21:16 - Coffer: If it's about him initiating his stun but canceling it before it lands, it's mostly to prevent him from missing with his stun
21:16 - Coffer: He'll initiate it, but if he knows he won't hit anyone he'll cancel it and not waste the mana or the cooldown
21:17 - Coffer: Getting a level of the bash early is a bad idea though
21:18 - Coffer: Goddamnit Lina
21:19 - Nue: What did she do?
21:19 - Coffer: 3 targets
21:19 - Coffer: None hit
21:23 - Nue: Space Lasers, improving games since Command and Conquer
21:24 - Coffer: That Slark is not going to have a good time
21:25 - Nue: Buying back in so early?
21:25 - Coffer: Seemed to be worth it
21:25 - Coffer: But yeah I don't condone it
21:25 - Coffer: Fuck yeah, it's always nice to see a Skywrath do well
21:26 - Nue: TIME TO ITEM UP
21:26 - Nue: Or not
21:26 - Coffer: More like time for Slark to feed again
21:28 - Nue: Slark pls
21:28 - Coffer: Pointless buyback again
21:28 - Coffer: Sleeping with the fishes
21:28 - Nue: Dear god that courier is hideous
21:29 - Coffer: Which one
21:29 - Coffer: Because they both are
21:29 - Nue: Dire's
21:31 - Coffer: Good silence from Clinkz there actually
21:31 - Nue: Zoa is ded
21:31 - Coffer: The deep ones guided him too far
21:32 - Coffer: Don't worry, Skywrath gave his dead a thought
21:32 - Coffer: BELIEVE HIM
21:32 - Nue: Skywraith going for Vyse?
21:32 - Nue: BELIEVE IT
21:33 - Nue: Never mind, seems like a Divinity Stick instead
21:33 - Coffer: Call it Scythe or Sheepstick/Sheep
21:33 - Coffer: And Eul's is just Eul's
21:33 - Nue: All dis lingo
21:33 - Coffer: You'll learn it
21:33 - Coffer: Eventually
21:34 - Nue: Searing Arrows can be silenced right?
21:35 - Coffer: Yep
21:35 - Coffer: Poor Slark
21:36 - Coffer: Radiant are grossly overextending
21:40 - Nue: Good job Fishman
21:40 - Nue: Blink onto an unescapable ledge with ranged units around
21:42 - Coffer: The deep ones are dicks
21:45 - Nue: Dagon? Is it really worth the 8000 gold at max?
21:45 - Coffer: Very rarely
21:45 - Nue: The burst damage is nice but eh
21:45 - Coffer: It's a strong pubstomp item, that's for sure, but it's rarely worth the cash
21:45 - Coffer: Level 1 is good for some heroes, but level 5...eeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh
21:46 - Coffer: feeding fishman
21:46 - Nue: Goes best with batter and salt
21:47 - Coffer: The fishies are having a feeding contest
21:48 - Coffer: 12-14-15 vs 11-14-13
21:48 - Coffer: It's a race to the line
21:50 - Nue: Roshan when
21:50 - Coffer: He's just gonna get ignored
21:50 - Coffer: Abandoned by his parents, abandoned by the heroes, abandoned by everyone
21:51 - Nue: Shouldn't have killed the Shopkeeper
21:51 - Coffer: Can only die and constantly revive, tied to his little cave
21:51 - Coffer: How would you feel if you were Roshan
21:51 - Nue: Big
21:52 - Nue: Are there ever going to be extra maps for this, or no? I can't see any being added but still.
21:52 - Coffer: Unlikely, at least until after the game goes live and Valve releases support for custom maps
21:52 - Coffer: If they do, it'll probably go the way of Warcraft 3
21:52 - Nue: RIP in piece Roshan
21:52 - Coffer: Which would be excellent
21:53 - Coffer: And somehow Slardar still finds a way to die
21:53 - Coffer: I think he likes it
21:54 - Nue: That Nether Swap
21:54 - Coffer: Player card: random chink
21:55 - Coffer: Goddamnit Valve
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21:57 - Nue: I like the nod Queen of Pain has to the Queen of the Damned.
21:57 - Nue: Same name as the Antagonist
21:58 - Coffer: Not really liking Sven's starting items
21:58 - Nue: Two couriers?
21:59 - Coffer: lel
22:00 - Nue: These custom armours. Pretty nice.
22:00 - Coffer: Poor Silencer
22:01 - Coffer: CK's set looks cool
22:03 - Nue: SILEBCER
22:03 - Nue: SILENCER*
22:03 - Nue: Pls stop
22:03 - Coffer: Goddamnit
22:05 - Coffer: Nice, pink is a pro player
22:05 - Coffer: Captain of one of the better teams in the last couple of months, Virtus Pro
22:06 - Nue: He is? I haven't looked into professional Dota 2 yet. Yet.
22:06 - Coffer: You should, if you're interested in such things
22:08 - Nue: Bottle seems like the go to item for most players, even if they're not Mid.
22:08 - Coffer: Nope, just for those who might need the regen from it
22:09 - Coffer: Bottle crowing solves the issue of not having runes, but it kinda screws the rest of the team over by monopolizing the courier and it's also been enrfed recently
22:09 - Coffer: nerfed*
22:09 - Coffer: And no, it's not a standard pickup on Sven at all
22:09 - Nue: And I am definitely into this game, safe to say. Even if online play amounts to too much, the bot games tide me over and games are nice to watch.
22:10 - Coffer: It's such a shame that Lego and everyone else didn't get into it as much as you did
22:10 - Coffer: And I don't think we'll get to play with the likes of quietess and siegeh much
22:10 - Coffer: Nice timing with that stun from Sven
22:12 - Coffer: I'm still really surprised to see just how much you like the game though, and to hear that you'll be getting into it even more
22:13 - Nue: Like I mentioned before, I am too. Watching a recent League of Legends video, I couldn't stand the way the game looked. I like this game though, despite the general similarities.
22:14 - Coffer: How come you disliked LoL so much yet are showing so much love for Dota 2? I mean, I get your gripe with LoL's graphic style, but is there anything else?
22:14 - Coffer: that goes into it*
22:16 - Nue: The item system, and that 3 tier system (I don't know what it is) just seems to confusing. I found this easier to get into than LoL.
22:16 - Coffer: The leveling process is definitely off-putting, as is the importance of runes and whatnot, but Dota 2's learning curve is much higher
22:17 - Nue: Learning curve doesn't matter if you can't get into it in the first place. But you are right. The game definitely looks horrible compared to Dota though.
22:18 - Coffer: Ha, most people say Dota 2 looks too gritty and dark and whatnot and that LoL's vibrant color scheme makes things stand out
22:19 - Coffer: But that doesn't really make much sense to me
22:21 - Nue: Why Dagon on Nyx again, part of a build?
22:22 - Coffer: Yep, Dagon is a necessity on Nyx
22:23 - Nue: LoL is too dark and while colourful, not pleasant to look at. Dota has a nicer mix of colours, which offsets the green and grey areas of the map.
22:25 - Coffer: Works well enough for me
22:27 - Nue: So do you get Items and the end of each game or something?
22:28 - Coffer: When you level up you get a guaranteed item
22:28 - Coffer: Otherwise you have a small chance of getting one
22:28 - Coffer: Wait why are you playing without me
22:28 - Coffer: ;_;
22:29 - Nue: I'm not playing, I'm watching
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22:29 - Nue: Like I would do so without saying
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22:29 - Coffer: Oh, odd, it said you were playing against bots for a moment
22:29 - Nue: MUTED
22:30 - Coffer: pinoy pride
22:30 - Nue: Another Silencer
22:30 - Nue: I'm not even looking for him
22:30 - Nue: Wait Silencer vs Anti Mage, yes pls
22:30 - Coffer: The fun ends here
22:31 - Nue: Shhh, no spells. Only tears now.
22:32 - Coffer: those lanes
22:32 - Nue: Waiting for Anti Mage to get "muh farm" on
22:33 - Coffer: I now have Just an Illusion playing on repeat
22:33 - Coffer: with the camera centered on AM
22:33 - Nue: Wtf was Anti Mage doing for a second
22:33 - Coffer: He just traded badly
22:34 - Coffer: And now Weaver fed
22:34 - Nue: Needs more harass
22:34 - Coffer: Weaver isn't even denying
22:34 - Coffer: wat
22:35 - Nue: What is Treant even doing?
22:35 - Coffer: Stacking and pulling repeatedly
22:35 - Nue: HUUURR
22:38 - Nue: Night Stalker looks pretty cool
22:38 - Coffer: His face changing like that at night is a cool touch
22:41 - Nue: Hands of Midas seems pretty good. Probably best for junglers.
22:41 - Coffer: Certain junglers, as well as hard carries
22:41 - Coffer: If you can get one very quickly, by all freaking means, GET IT
22:41 - Coffer: It seriously amplifies your farm
22:41 - Coffer: But you need to get it early
22:42 - Nue: So if you get fed early, good item to get?
22:42 - Coffer: Get fed, have almost free farm etc
22:42 - Coffer: A pre-6 minute Midas is unbelievable
22:42 - Coffer: 9 minutes is the limit I think, but I'm not sure
22:43 - Coffer: Spectators: 3
22:43 - Coffer: This is the third time this has happened
22:43 - Coffer: Is anyone else watching along with us
22:44 - Nue: Not on my list
22:44 - Coffer: Not on mine either
22:44 - Coffer: AM's scream is hilarious
22:44 - Coffer: NEAOURRRRRRRRGH
22:45 - Nue: That Prophet location
22:45 - Coffer: Oh boy, cliff farming
22:45 - Coffer: Definitely NOT recommended, but it's hilarious nonetheless
22:46 - Nue: Round the roundabout with Anti Mage and Freinds
22:47 - Coffer: THAT SILENCE
22:47 - Nue: Amazing
22:47 - Nue: Fucking hell that was timed so well
22:47 - Coffer: So much for being against magic
22:47 - Coffer: Yeah, that was amazing
22:47 - Nue: "At least there is no magic in death" Heh
22:50 - Nue: Time for Nightstalker to go ham
22:51 - Coffer: Great silence once again
22:51 - Coffer: This guy's having a good game
22:51 - Nue: 20 Int Stolen
22:51 - Nue: Oh boy
22:53 - Nue: How effective was Nightstalker's Fear ability?
22:53 - Nue: A teammate said to commend him so it must've done something
22:53 - Coffer: He may be sarcastic
22:53 - Coffer: I missed that part
22:53 - Coffer: oh shit brb
22:58 - Coffer is now Away.
23:06 - Nue: Crystal Maiden first blood
23:06 - Nue: IT'S HAPPENING
23:07 - Nue: 2 Kills by Crystal Maiden
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23:10 - Coffer: alright back, sorry
23:10 - Coffer: had some minor problems
23:10 - Nue: No need to apologise. What needs to be done needs to be done.
23:11 - Nue: AND I GET DISCONNECTED
23:11 - Your state is set to Offline.
23:11 - Coffer is now Offline.
23:11 - Lost connection to Steam, will rejoin chat automatically when connection regained.
23:11 - Connected again and rejoined chat.
23:11 - Coffer is now Online.
23:11 - Nue: Urgh
23:12 - Coffer: wot
23:12 - Nue: I got disconnected. I did say no need to apologise though, what needs to be done has to be done.
23:12 - Nue: Crystal Maiden with most kills
23:13 - Nue: You could have ended it
23:13 - Nue: Disaster is inevitable
23:13 - Coffer: that frigid bitch, stealing everything from the carries
23:13 - Coffer: Why didn't you stop it
23:14 - Nue: Lucifer pls
23:15 - Coffer: poor little lucy
23:16 - Nue: Invoker timed that well
23:17 - Nue: Also goddamnit Crystal maiden you ain't supposed to go that deep into enemy lines
23:17 - Coffer: >two bracers
23:17 - Coffer: Why
23:17 - Coffer: what is that weaver doing
23:17 - Coffer: he was trying to attack razor when he had -30 damage
23:17 - Coffer: And now Razor died
23:17 - Coffer: What the fuck
23:18 - Nue: You shoulda saw Timbersaw when he had haste
23:18 - Nue: He pulled of a triple kill
23:20 - Coffer: Timbersaw's mana costs are so obscenely low that he can already start killing stuff after getting mana boots
23:20 - Coffer: Spectators: 3
23:21 - Coffer: It's happened again
23:21 - Coffer: Who the fuck
23:21 - Nue: It's been like that every game since the one with the Fishman Feeding Wars
23:22 - Coffer: Someone's stalking one of us
23:23 - Nue: I doubt someone is stalking us. Probably a bug or something
23:23 - Coffer: "whoever it is that's stalking us, show yourself"
23:23 - Coffer: Spectators: 2
23:23 - Coffer: I AM A GENIUS
23:23 - Nue: NEVERMIND THEN
23:24 - Nue: Thing to think now is whom was being stalked
23:24 - Coffer: And then they all died
23:24 - Coffer: was it you
23:24 - Coffer: or was it me
23:24 - Coffer: Maybe it was both of us
23:24 - Nue: I love that Anti Mage teleport animation
23:26 - Coffer: AM judged that well
23:26 - Nue: Lucy why buy back
23:26 - Coffer: To farm
23:26 - Coffer: Or die
23:26 - Coffer: Or both
23:27 - Coffer: >Manta
23:27 - Coffer: Here we go
23:27 - Nue: Fuck Magic
23:27 - Coffer: It's just an illusion
23:30 - Coffer: >living armor on an illusion
23:30 - Nue: Mana Void seems so much better when Manta Style is availible
23:30 - Coffer: Yep
23:30 - Nue: You gotta keep dat Illusion up bro
23:31 - Coffer: Mana burn is the only orb effect that applies to illusions, which is why Manta works so incredibly well on AM
23:31 - Coffer: That and he has the best base attack animation in the game
23:31 - Coffer: Okay second best, but it's only beaten by Alchemist's ult
23:31 - Coffer: base attack time*
23:32 - Nue: The hell is wrong with Timbersaw
23:32 - Nue: And why does Invoker get the Aegis
23:32 - Coffer: Invoker himself seems to be doing pretty well
23:32 - Coffer: Not much of a difference, really, both can make good use of it
23:32 - Nue: Terrasque
23:32 - Nue: Heh
23:32 - Coffer: Ahahaha
23:32 - Coffer: That chakram bug
23:32 - Coffer: I love it
23:33 - Coffer: Also yep, Heart's always a good pickup for hard carries
23:33 - Coffer: Sheer survivability
23:33 - Nue: Alacricity on Anti Mage, oh yes
23:34 - Coffer: I just realized that Invoker and AM are on the same team
23:34 - Coffer: Fuck spells
23:34 - Nue: "A BKB WILL SAVE ME"
23:34 - Coffer: 155-159
23:35 - Coffer: Don't worry guys, my -2 damage will be enough
23:37 - Nue: Invoker Suicide Run go
23:37 - Nue: DOOM YOU FAGGOT YOU SHOULDA KILLED HIM
23:38 - Coffer: V for Very Fucking Cold
23:39 - Coffer: Spectators: 4
23:39 - Coffer: Motherfucker
23:39 - Nue: >Zhicheng Zang
23:39 - Nue: Who
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23:41 - Nue: Carl pls go invoker
23:41 - Coffer: WOMPBEATZ has randomed Anti-Mage
23:42 - Nue: >Meepo
23:42 - Coffer: Some something fun ends here something something
23:42 - Nue: MICROSKIIIILZ
23:42 - Coffer: Something something*
23:42 - Coffer: So many randoms
23:43 - Nue: Luna and Nightstalker synergise well, with Eclipse making it night time
23:43 - Coffer: Sort of, it's only for a small duration
23:43 - Coffer: Carl playing Nature's Profit, making his stand in the name of all the jews in the world
23:43 - Coffer: Time to meet the quota, Carl boy
23:44 - Nue: LUNA NEVER SOLOS
23:45 - Coffer: Definitely not against a trilane
23:45 - Coffer: Spectators: 21
23:45 - Coffer: Why did I jinx it
23:45 - Coffer: Somebody out there loves us
23:46 - Nue: I don't see Meepo anywhere this is bullshit
23:46 - Coffer: Yep, the guy repicked
23:47 - Nue: 33 spectators
23:48 - Coffer: The grandstands are packed
23:48 - Nue: Are these players special or something, all other games had hardly any
23:48 - Coffer: And it's all because of us
23:48 - Coffer: It's probably a page 1-3 game
23:48 - Coffer: Unsurprising considering there's at least one trilane and everyone seems to be tryharding
23:49 - Nue: Luna confirmed for delicious food, can't resist the feed
23:49 - Coffer: NOOOVA
23:49 - Coffer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOVA
23:50 - Nue: His HoN did crash
23:50 - Coffer: He went back to LoL
23:51 - Nue: Luna and Nightstalker do work well, his passive benefits greatly from Luna's Lunar Blessing
23:52 - Coffer: Eh, there are better combos out there
23:53 - Nue: Of course, but it's a combination nonetheless
23:53 - Coffer: You could always go with an aura/damage stacking combo
23:53 - Coffer: Luna, VS, Lycan, Beastmaster and some other hero
23:55 - Nue: Double Damage, please actually do something decent with it
23:57 - Coffer: That was nice of Tiny
23:57 - Nue: Ouch
23:57 - Coffer: Tossed in the dumpster
23:58 - Nue: Tiny standing for brain size
02 July 2013
00:00 - Coffer: He played this one badly
00:00 - Coffer: He could've tossed Shadow Demon to AM, then SD would've used Disruption with Tiny following it up with his stun
00:01 - Nue: Fuggin spooder
00:03 - Coffer: She really should be pushing right about now
00:03 - Nue: Oh god all those spiders
00:04 - Coffer: Creepy crawly
00:04 - Nue: She bought something for about 3000
00:04 - Nue: I wonder what it is
00:05 - Nue: Eaglesong. Is she an agility hero?
00:05 - Coffer: Yep
00:05 - Coffer: Her strength gain is extremely impressive for an agi hero though
00:05 - Coffer: (as you can see, she has more base strength than agi)
00:06 - Coffer: If you want to know what the main stat is, just look at which one has a gold circle around it
00:06 - Nue: Didn't notice that
00:07 - Coffer: NS is just casually flying
00:07 - Coffer: ahahaha
00:07 - Coffer: what are those two doing
00:07 - Nue: Look at him go
00:07 - Coffer: SD was a bro
00:08 - Nue: 'NOOOOUUUAH' - Anti Mage
00:09 - Coffer: He's having such a bad game
00:09 - Nue: They're looking for AM especially
00:09 - Coffer: As they should be
00:09 - Nue: 500 AR
00:09 - Nue: Nice
00:10 - Nue: Oh shit he has a tree
00:10 - Coffer: Aghanim's Scepter should just be renamed to Aghanim's Tree if you're playing Tiny
00:11 - Nue: Disruptor ain't taking no shit
00:11 - Coffer: he's riding a raptor
00:11 - Coffer: that means he's serious
00:12 - Nue: Tiny is pretty much wrecking shit now
00:12 - Nue: Gonna be tough to take down now
00:12 - Coffer: Yep, and it's only going to get worse
00:13 - Coffer: Because Dire have nothing to respond with
00:13 - Coffer: AM has been shut down, Brood can't outcarry a carrying Tiny etc
00:13 - Nue: That damage per swing
00:14 - Coffer: Yep, all he needs is attack speed
00:14 - Coffer: His damage is already excellent
00:14 - Nue: Could be building Sange and Yasha
00:14 - Coffer: Nah, Manta
00:14 - Coffer: Simple as that
00:14 - Coffer: SnY doesn't proc enough to be worth it, and Manta has excellent stats
00:14 - Coffer: SK's bones just got rattled
00:15 - Nue: "u can't kill whats already dead dumbasses"
00:15 - Coffer: nvm u actually did
00:15 - Coffer: gg
00:16 - Nue: DC
00:16 - Nue: ggnore
00:16 - Coffer: Neeeeext
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00:17 - Nue: Oh wow that Queen of Pain outfit
00:17 - Nue: >Enigma
00:17 - Nue: Jungle or feed
00:18 - Coffer: Jungle and feed
00:18 - Coffer: The creeps are hungry too, you know
00:18 - Coffer: How do you think Profit's zoo sustains itself
00:18 - Nue: >Actually dying to a creep
00:18 - Nue: I shig a dig
00:19 - Coffer: This guy can't micro
00:19 - Coffer: It's over
00:19 - Coffer: Dire is finished
00:19 - Nue: Those mini enigmas r qt
00:19 - Coffer: Do you want a pet eidolon
00:20 - Nue: Valve could sell those and couriers as dolls or plushes
00:20 - Coffer: They already sold a big version of the flying donkey at a previous tournament
00:21 - Nue: Gyrocopter, I wanna see him do some damage
00:21 - Nue: Aghanim's for ICBM tier range
00:22 - Coffer: Gyrocopter is actually Romanian
00:22 - Coffer: No, not the player, the hero himself
00:22 - Coffer: How does that make you feel
00:23 - Nue: If he's Romanian then where exactly does the 3 Lane Game take place
00:23 - Coffer: My backyard
00:24 - Nue: You have a giant yard then
00:25 - Nue: Not to mention a creep infestation
00:25 - Coffer: You can't imagine how much it costs to maintain this place
00:25 - Coffer: What with all the nukes and meteors and black holes
00:26 - Nue: I didn't even notice Vengeful Spirit until now
00:27 - Nue: Lodsamonay Glove achieved by Nature's Prophit
00:27 - Coffer: He got it pretty late though
00:27 - Nue: And dat clipping texture, absolutely disgusting
00:27 - Coffer: Jewing it up
00:32 - Nue: He mad
00:39 - Coffer: He's still mad
00:39 - Nue: I don't think he noticed when three TP scroll markers surrounded him
00:40 - Coffer: oooo pretty lights
00:40 - Nue: Rubick seems to be going full support. That's how he's played right?
00:40 - Coffer: Yep, though he can very easily be played as a mid hero as well
00:41 - Nue: Rushing Aghanim's. Seems like he'd benefit from other items though what they are I dunno
00:43 - Coffer: QoP played that one very badly
00:45 - Nue: Illusion army go
00:47 - Nue: Inb4 rage
00:47 - Coffer: Beastmaster is quietess's long lost brother from another mother
00:49 - Nue: Sonic Rubick Scream
00:50 - Coffer: Rubick's the true torturer here
00:50 - Coffer: More importantly, he stole the upgraded version
00:51 - Nue: If he has Aghanim's and he steals a Ultimate, does the bonus apply?
00:51 - Coffer: Yep
00:51 - Nue: I like that he gets it even without though
00:51 - Coffer: That's his Aghanim effect - it upgrades every upgradable ult he steals
00:52 - Nue: He seems like he'd do good with a Refresher Orb
00:52 - Nue: DIRE ON TOP, RADIANT ON BOTTOM
00:52 - Coffer: Maybe, but he wouldn't have all that much mana
00:52 - Nue: WHO CAN PUSH FIRST
00:52 - Coffer: Plus, Steal has a low cooldown anyway
00:53 - Coffer: Nah Radiant can't afford to do a base race
00:53 - Nue: True, he can just constantly steal
00:53 - Nue: Dat Nature's Prophet push
00:55 - Coffer: That's right, use that ult on an illusion, Rubick
00:57 - Nue: Phantom Lancer wrecks creeps with his passive
00:57 - Coffer: Hardest carry in the game
00:57 - Coffer: Not difficulty-wise, he's just too strong
00:58 - Coffer: good save from VS
00:59 - Nue: The hell did he even buy?
00:59 - Coffer: who, I wasn't paying attention
00:59 - Nue: Oh, Terrasque recipe
00:59 - Coffer: Yep
00:59 - Nue: Phantom Lancer
00:59 - Coffer: I can barely even stay awake anymore
01:00 - Nue: Then why are you staying up then, go to bed.
01:00 - Coffer: Watching games
01:00 - Nue: Oh god damnit it's 3am for you, and you have an exam today
01:00 - Coffer: Nah it's tomorrow
01:01 - Coffer: I'll prolly have to study the entire day today though
01:01 - Nue: CAN THEY PUSH IT
01:01 - Nue: I hope you don't overdo it though. Don't want you feeling even worse than usual.
01:02 - Coffer: As if it can get any worse
01:04 - Nue: Phantom Lancer is amazing
01:04 - Coffer: Told you he's the hardest carry
01:04 - Coffer: His stat gain is obscene (4.2 agi per level), meaning his armor and his damage are both very high
01:04 - Coffer: And of course they transition to his clones, which become extremely hard to kill later on
01:05 - Nue: >5.3k gold
01:05 - Coffer: He's a marginally worse teamfighter than Gyro simply because of his skillset
01:05 - Coffer: Yep, saving up for something
01:05 - Coffer: Buyback or a big item
01:05 - Nue: Butterfly maybe
01:05 - Coffer: Seems like it
01:05 - Coffer: Yep
01:05 - Nue: Yep
01:06 - Nue: Could he solo Roshan?
01:06 - Coffer: Easily
01:07 - Nue: Is he still trying to get something?
01:07 - Coffer: He could probably replace his drums with something, or he could just farm enough for a buyback
01:07 - Nue: That damage, oh wow
01:07 - Coffer: He has bonus attack speed from Beastmaster's aura
01:07 - Coffer: AND bonus damage from VS's aura
01:08 - Coffer: This is pretty much perfect for him
01:08 - Coffer: Great fight from Dire though
01:08 - Coffer: Look how tanky that illusion is
01:08 - Coffer: Just look at it
01:09 - Coffer: And then the real one came in
01:09 - Nue: All those stuns
01:09 - Nue: They wanted him DEAD
01:09 - Coffer: That was extremely well played by Dire though
01:09 - Coffer: Huge pickoff there
01:09 - Coffer: They really needed to kill PL
01:11 - Nue: Prophet why
01:12 - Coffer: You jew or you die
01:12 - Coffer: in the Game of Throws
01:12 - Nue: THe best illusions
01:13 - Coffer: The best idea here would be to just make a small collection of images, send them to push, then port somewhere else and push that lane aswell
01:13 - Coffer: as well*
01:13 - Coffer: Not that it really matters since only bot is needed anymore
01:14 - Coffer: gg
01:14 - Nue: Jamboo pls go
01:15 - Nue: DEAR LORD THAT DAMAGE
01:15 - Coffer: I get a distinct "le /leddit/ army XDXDXDDDD" feel from that guy
01:15 - Nue: I thought Tiny did a large amount
01:16 - Nue: Why did Enigma have 6 Platemail
01:16 - Coffer: He gave up
01:16 - Coffer: He just sold everything and bought 6 platemails
01:17 - Nue: My framerate on the menu screen is abysmal
01:17 - Coffer: Why
01:17 - Coffer: I don't have any problems with it
01:17 - Nue: No idea, I get better FPS when teamfights go apeshit
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01:18 - Nue: I get the feeling that no-one talks because everyone is muted
01:19 - Coffer: Would you want to have a jolly chat with SwaGGyKru3ger
01:19 - Coffer: Fucking Radiant
01:19 - Coffer: Wait, Radiant is playing for the Dire, against the Radiant
01:19 - Nue: Leshrac seems new. I can't recall seeing him in the lists
01:19 - Coffer: I'm confused
01:19 - Coffer: What lists
01:19 - Nue: Leshrac, hero
01:20 - Coffer: He's not new at all, you just haven't seen him yet
01:20 - Nue: Thought so, Huur
01:20 - Nue: Nature's Prophet that isn't jungling? Eh?
01:21 - Coffer: That confusion at bot
01:21 - Coffer: So many units
01:21 - Coffer: Also yep, nothing wrong with that, Profit is a good offlane solo as well
01:21 - Coffer: Admittedly, he's not soloing here...
01:22 - Coffer: Oh, he's just jungling on the other side
01:25 - Nue: Aw shit it's Clinkz
01:25 - Nue: He has good DPS
01:25 - Coffer: He's not all that good as a carry though
01:25 - Coffer: He's a decent ganker, but that's about it
01:27 - Nue: Bane's audio cue for the Blink Dagger is amusing
01:27 - Coffer: Too bad it's not in the game
01:27 - Coffer: They removed it because it was too hilarious
01:27 - Nue: It's not in game?
01:28 - Nue: Shit hero, 0/10
01:28 - Coffer: http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/a/a5/Bane_blink_03.mp3
01:28 - Coffer: I thought you were referring to this one
01:29 - Nue: Fuck, Steam Browser won't open it. If it's the one where he's screaming then yes
01:29 - Coffer: Blink dagger AAAARARAAAAHA
01:29 - Coffer: Yeah, that oen
01:29 - Coffer: It's not in the game
01:34 - Nue: Wait, you can deny a tower?
01:34 - Coffer: Yep, and it only gives half gold to the enemy team
01:34 - Coffer: Highly recommended to do
01:35 - Nue: JUGGERNAUT
01:35 - Nue: Still died
01:35 - Coffer: Even the fastest racecars can crash
01:38 - Nue: What is Clinkz even doing?
01:38 - Nue: Nevermind, he's doing something now.
01:38 - Coffer: Finally
01:40 - Coffer: Is it just me or does everyone just want to die or something
01:41 - Coffer: That fight was all kinds of odd
01:41 - Nue: Suicidal tendencies are valuable traits in a teammate
01:43 - Nue: So how do you level up an item like Purge Blade or Dagon?
01:43 - Nue: Juswt repurchase>
01:43 - Coffer: Buy the recipe again
01:43 - Coffer: Same goes for restoring the charges on the drums
01:43 - Coffer: You don't have to buy the ingredients again
01:43 - Coffer: Just the recipe
01:46 - Nue: Manta Style on Nature's Prophet. Can illusions use spells to or something?
01:46 - Coffer: Nope
01:46 - Coffer: It's a strange pickup on him
01:49 - Nue: Nature's Prophet is a pretty high level, and has lodsadosh
01:49 - Coffer: 244 cs
01:49 - Coffer: He's met the quota
01:50 - Nue: CS?
01:50 - Coffer: creep score, in this case creep kills / last hits
01:51 - Coffer: how nice of him
01:51 - Nue: I didn't catch it fully, what happened?
01:52 - Coffer: Clinkz goes all the way to the Radiant bottom-left jungle camp, ults a creep but gets tracked by BH
01:52 - Coffer: Spirit Breaker immediately starts charging him, much to the chagrin of Clinkz
01:52 - Coffer: "if you charge me I'll be pissed"
01:52 - Coffer: And SB actually stops his charge
01:53 - Nue: Mercy
01:53 - Nue: Hopefully it doesn't come to punish him later
01:55 - Nue: I'm thinking CG means carried game but what about WP?
01:55 - Coffer: >cg
01:55 - Coffer: No such thing as that
01:56 - Coffer: it's just GG, which is obviously good game
01:56 - Coffer: WP is well played
01:56 - Coffer: ggwp are usually used in conjunction with one another, unless the gg part is ironic
01:56 - Nue: Last game the someone said CG after Phantom Lancer pushed back and won the game.
01:57 - Coffer: hm I can't remember, but it's certainly not something that I've ever seen before
01:57 - Nue: Might've been a typo.
01:57 - Coffer: Probably was
01:58 - Nue: Roshan Boogaloo
01:59 - Coffer: The kind of life Roshan leads is a sad one
02:04 - Nue: Ward spam with Shadow Shaman
02:04 - Coffer: I have no wards to descri-- wait I've already overused this
02:05 - Nue: Mjollnir seems like the only item to have an animated icon
02:06 - Coffer: Yep, I didn't even notice that before
02:06 - Coffer: eh\
02:06 - Coffer: are you there
02:06 - Nue: Oh cool I got disconnected
02:06 - Coffer: Yeah I got disconnected too
02:06 - Coffer: Dota servers down most likely
02:07 - Coffer: Anyway I think that's my cue to go to bed
02:07 - Nue: Probably mine too.
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02:08 - Coffer: It's been almost 6 hours since then, hot damn
02:08 - Coffer: Certainly didn't feel like it
02:08 - Nue: 6 hours, damn
02:09 - Coffer: Did you enjoy spectating those games
02:09 - Nue: Not really playing it but still, damn
02:09 - Nue: Definitely. Hectic, fast paced and showed a good couple of situations. Like when you don't end the game fast enough and the enemy carry get's his farm.
02:10 - Coffer: I'm not sure how much you got to learn from all that, but those matches showed you just how a real game goes
02:11 - Nue: I think tomorrow I'll give online a go. A warm-up match or two, but online for sure.
02:12 - Coffer: Excellent, though I think it would be best if I just spectated, since otherwise you'd just be grouped with people who are far more experienced than you are
02:12 - Coffer: Which would be unfair
02:12 - Coffer: You don't have to wake up early or something, do you
02:13 - Nue: I have 0 responsibilities to attend to, so nope. Waking up at 1 is my usual time lately.
02:13 - Coffer: Excellent, then we'll probably wake up around the same time if we go to sleep now
02:13 - Coffer: I will need to study a little, but probably not too much
02:13 - Coffer: Just like two days ago, really
02:16 - Nue: I would prefer it if you focused as much as you can on revision. I can easily put off my first game to the weekend, you can't put your revision off.
02:16 - Coffer: Nah, I can balance my time, don't worry
02:16 - Coffer: I'm not the only one who was caught out by yesterday's nonsense
02:21 - Nue: So if people have taken notice, does this mean a potential resit or some sort of situation correction?
02:22 - Coffer: Unlikely, considering how bad things are in our educational system
02:26 - Nue: Damn, I've thought it would've been fixed.
02:27 - Coffer: It's never that simple
02:28 - Nue: Sadly.
02:28 - Coffer: Nah, I don't think it's reasonable to expect those with power to really use it appropriately
02:28 - Coffer: They messed up last year and they messed up this year as well
02:28 - Coffer: Things have been messed up for years, pretty much every teacher I know is getting sick and tired of all this
02:29 - Coffer: In all honesty, I don't think it's reasonable to expect much from anyone at all
02:29 - Coffer: Expect the worst, hope for the best
02:36 - Nue: Can't be dissapointed if you expect the best.
02:36 - Coffer: Isn't it the exact opposite? No chance of being disappointed if you don't expect anything?
02:38 - Nue: If you don't expect anything, you can't be surprised by kinder actions made by people. Hope is still an expectation, but one you don't cling so closely. Like a dream, from how I see it.
02:40 - Coffer: Hope is mostly an emotional reaction, it's not much in terms of expecting something
02:40 - Coffer: And you can cling to it pretty strongly
02:42 - Nue: Exactly. It's not much, but it can still affect you to a strong degree. I can hope that not everyone is as selfish as those I meet on my day to day basis, and that I'm not one of those people. But I can only wait to see if either of those is true.
02:43 - Coffer: Correct, but before I continue, come on, you know all too well that there are some good people around
02:44 - Coffer: Those who you consider to be your friends, for example
02:47 - Nue: My closest freind is only in that position since he helps me waste my time. A small chunk of my mind acknowledges him as homophobic, sexist and arrogant idiot who is content to stick to his own opinion. But despite that, I still regard him my freind due to him and me talking topics that we share a common interest in which could be waning for that reason.
02:48 - Coffer: The sheer fact that you still see him as a close friend despite those issues shows how much you value him
02:48 - Nue: I can't decide why I tolerate those lesser behaviours, and simply because he's a freind doesn't seem to enough of a reason.
02:49 - Coffer: Nobody's perfect, you may find someone who isn't homophobic or sexist or arrogant but they'll likely still have some traits which you don't like
02:52 - Nue: I understand that no-one is perfect, but they're still traits which are not accepted in today's society. In smaller areas like freindship circles yes but in the wider picture not in the slightest. I only joked around with him and others in the small circle of freinds when I was more interested in my social image, not acknowledging the negative impact on my life view it could have by adopting it.
02:53 - Coffer: Just because he has those traits doesn't mean you'll adopt or inherit them or something, so don't worry about that
02:53 - Coffer: And what I think it boils down to is this
02:53 - Coffer: If he's not serious, then the fault lies mostly with the people who get offended
02:54 - Coffer: If he is serious then...yeah, just try to stay reasonable and all should be fine
03:00 - Nue: When I developed my chart of choice, I started to become much more aware of actions I and others did. Like a little voice in my head, constantly asking why someone shifted position, or made a particular phrase stand out in a discussion. I think it hasn't helped with how I view things though, since I've also acknowledged the actions of others and how selfish they are, almost taking a misanthropic view on the world. While I know that people can have good traits, the negative ones also stand out, much more that I've now noticed them (whether that ties to that previous discussion I'm not sure). It doesn't help with my Black and White view on the world, despite also acknowledging that shades of grey also exist.
03:00 - Nue: Paragraph end, sorry for the rant.
03:01 - Coffer: No need to apologize
03:04 - Coffer: But yeah, I fully understand your view, it's just that people are so different from one another. Different mentalities, different views, different values etc. If they, say, make a certain phrase stand out in a discussion like you said, it's probably because they feel strongly about it and they are using persuasion to make you feel the same. It would be great if everyone had predominantly good values, but then what are these 'good' values anyway? Are there any values that are objectively good, that people would appreciate in absolutely everyone they see? If so, what's the point in calling them a 'value' anymore?
03:05 - Coffer: Like you said, the good traits don't stand out anywhere near as much as the bad ones, but the thing is that some people are able to look past that, either because they don't want to think about them or downright can't do that.
03:05 - Coffer: Or because they think those values are good, which might seem alarming to you depending on your set of values, but I don't think it's something that you yourself can change right now. The only thing you can do is analyze their behavior, see which things you think they do wrong and try not to do the same.
03:07 - Coffer: Your Black and White view is almost idealistic in its nature, so as much as I would like to say that it's not the right view to adopt, I absolutely cannot blame you for it. I really do wish it were like that, but it's probably because it would overly simplify things and put them into two large categories: good and bad. Which never really works when you think about it.
03:08 - Coffer: Aside from that, there's one last thing that I want to add: "You'll never know you've had something until it is gone." Always keep that in mind. It will allow you to appreciate those good, yet hard-to-spot things so much more.
03:08 - Coffer: Sorry for the wall of text
03:42 - Nue: I was going to give a large response, but I only realised how much of myself I don't even understand. I can't tell where the child that was brought up to be kind, thoughtful and inquisitive starts and the psuedo-adult mentality that comes with misanthropy, cold logic and a downright horrid view on life ends. Thank you for at least making me realise I'm at best delusional. I need to take a rest, or something that will stop me from thinking for a while.
03:42 - Coffer: Christ, that's not what I wanted you to think at all, sorry if what I said sounded insulting or anything
03:42 - Coffer: That's not my intention at all
03:47 - Nue: Not at all to blame. It's hardly your fault for hitting me with another aspect on life. As you say, there's no true answer to a question. I went about honestly thinking that how I viewed the world was for better or worse, the right way. Fairness and equality for all. Girl hits you, you hit her back. You could argue that hitting a girl is wrong, but people forgot that hitting alltogether is wrong. Whether they liked it or not, it was what it was. Fair and equal. I just let that initial thought potentially corrupt me because "I was right". To think I thought so many wrong because they couldn't understand my reasoning.
03:49 - Nue: It's coming up to 6am for you. I think it'd be best if you went to sleep.
03:49 - Coffer: Conversely, think of all the people who misjudged or mistreated you because they, too, did not understand you or your values. People in general need to be more acceptant, and yes, I know I'm a hypocrite for saying that.
03:49 - Nue: I've kept you long enough.
03:49 - Coffer: I don't care about sleeping, if you want to talk, we can talk all day
03:49 - Coffer: No, don't worry about it
03:49 - Coffer: On a subjective basis, you are absolutely right. You're being honest with yourself, and you're using your values and virtues to their full extent, which is perfect. There's nothing wrong with that.
03:50 - Coffer: But just like how others need to understand you, you, too, need to give people a fair shot as well. They can be good regardless of their flaws.
04:02 - Nue: I do understand and accept others. But no matter how much I accept them, it won't change their behaviours. They are only flawed by themselves and they themselves can't even acknowledge that being homophobic and sexist is wrong. It requires those that know better to make sure that those flaws don't exist. I would do so but I don't want to make myself sound like some immaculate being of the highest mannerisms. I grew up in an abyss which can warp so many people simply because of 'the London Gang' life. Hanging outside shops, dealing in drugs and other illegalities, and stabbings only an half an hour after left 'our' house party which was full of underage drinking and a potential domestic abuse case. Even those who weren't into it were affected by it, with it effecting how they treated the "badmans", mocked behind their back but worshiped at their feet. Despite that I can still acknowledge that it's wrong compared to everyone else. But to put it basically I'm too much of an insecure autist who can't accept what seems like responsibility. I can feel myself getting angry at myself, so if you pick up any traces of it it's not directed at you.
04:03 - Nue: The heat is unbearable, I need to go outside for a bit. Apologies.
04:03 - Coffer: Will you be back shortly?
04:03 - Coffer: I'll try and come up with a response in the meantime
04:04 - Nue: I'll probably be back, I can't feel myself doing anything else, especially in the idiotic or cowardly sense. 20 minutes, max.
04:04 - Coffer: Also you really should sleep soon as well, I wouldn't want you to cut down on your sleeping or anything
04:04 - Coffer: Alright, take care, and if there's anything else you end up thinking about while you're outside, let me know
04:07 - Nue: As of right now, my life has no meaning to it whatsoever. A messed up bodyclock would not effect me that much at all. No social life, nor responsibilities. An outside perspective would see it as a sad, lonely life. But if I try to counter it, it might be only justification to make me feel secure about how low my life may have taken me. Or I might be right. Who knows. because I don't.
04:07 - Coffer: ;_;
04:11 - Coffer: You should think better of yourself and of your life, really. You don't have to be an ultra-social butterfly who keeps himself occupied with nonsensical bullshit 24/7 in order to have a successful, meaningful life. Your interest in psychology is not something that will wane any time soon, and you've dedicated yourself to it. If there's anything that needs to be changed, I won't question it, but change always comes gradually, with time. Considering how interested you are in psychology, and how dedicated you are to making sure you'll end up having a good career, there's just absolutely no way, barring the worst luck imaginable, that you won't succeed. Don't consider this point in life to be a 'low'. It's merely a transitional point, one which paves the way for your ascension into adulthood and into a brilliant life.
04:12 - Coffer: You're an amazing person. I've said it numerous times and I'm going to say it again. We've only been friends for a short while but when chatting with other friends, close and not-so-close, I've already praised you, your values and your way of thinking more than I've probably done with any other person. It's just so incredibly sad to see you think of yourself in such a poor way, because you deserve better.
04:14 - Coffer: You're extremely intelligent. You're rational, yet you're also soft and thoughtful and have strong values. You're focusing on a domain which others wouldn't even remotely consider because it's simply too difficult for them to even understand, let alone praise or make headways into.
04:15 - Coffer: Your life definitely has a meaning, and a strong one at that. Don't let yourself slip into thinking that that isn't the case.
04:24 - Coffer: And now to the main reply.

You're right that those people are flawed, but how are you planning to change that? Do you think you're currently in a position to influence how they act, to reduce the severity of those flaws? Most people would just laugh it off or mock you. Some would even get angry at you for 'daring' to question them. Ignorance is bliss, especially nowadays, and even without taking that into account people are never going to feel okay when someone else criticizes their views, no matter how flawed they might be. Maybe they're not even smart enough to acknowledge how flawed their views are, who knows. Not everyone's like you.

I'm not saying you should accept those. Not at all. But like you said before, we have this tendency to overlook the good things and focus too much on the bad things. As sad as it sounds, unless those people want to make any changes to themselves, it's unlikely that you'll be able to make them any less flawed. So you should focus on the good bits. Instead of hating those who aren't smart or otherwise knowledgeable enough to look past things such as racism, sexism or homophobia, you could show some more appreciation towards those who are better than that. I'm not trying to sway you or to tell you that you're in the wrong for thinking the way you do, it's just the way I feel about this.

The saddest thing of all is that those who have any sort of power do not have the desire to change anything, because they themselves are 'corrupt' in that regard. The opposite is true as well - those who want people to get better, such as yourself, do not have the means to make it happen. It's the unfortunate truth. I wish there was a way around it, I really do, but considering the position I'm in, the most I could do is appreciate those who still understand what it means to have good values.
04:24 - Coffer: It's unfortunate that you grew up in such a horrible environment, but if anything, you should think better of yourself precisely because of that. Because of the fact that you 'survived' growing up in such an environment. You have none of the bad traits that are associated with most people who have grown up or have otherwise been influenced by such an 'abyss'. Unlike those people, you fully acknowledge just how wrong those things are, which shows how much better sighted you are compared to them.

Don't feel angry. Feel proud. Proud that you legitimately are better than them. But don't let it get to you either. Some sort of balance will always be needed, as I already highlighted in the previous lines.

Yet again, sorry for the paragraph.
04:55 - Nue: It's amusing. I self-diagnosed myself with autism (Asperger's especially), and a physical disorder of sorts. I also diagnosed myself with depression, but dismissed it because I felt all symptoms except the classic negativity. I don't think about my life. It's not even really 'my' life. Adults squander precious and scarce money on things which they want like ciggarettes. Teachers treat you as merely a part of the sum that makes them money. You adopt 'your' beliefs from the people you spend time with for damn sake. 'My' life I don't think about, because it whether I do or don't won't make me do a thing. It's the realisation that despite how the things which make me the person that was shunned for having unpopular opinions, being brutally honest and unconformative don't mean a damn thing if I don't do anything is the icing on the cake. I hate having to speak my actual mind because I don't want to come across as 2edgy4you or some kind of memetic shit you can apply and label to my identity.
04:57 - Nue: I think I've just snapped from a lot of stress and pent up anger at things I didn't even know I had trouble with.
04:57 - Coffer: If you're specifically talking about me at the end of that first part then I'm not going to apply any sort of label to you, I'm not a disgusting person
04:57 - Coffer: It might be, it's sad to see you like this
04:58 - Nue: I wasn't talking about you, I could've used better wording there.
04:59 - Coffer: As for your main idea, doesn't this pretty much revolve around the social aspect of life? You say it's not 'your' life, but really, if we were to think of it like that, then can anyone's life really be considered genuine, legitimate, independent at all? You can be alone, but you can't be a loner. There is a marked difference between the two.
05:00 - Coffer: You can't focus solely on the bad things that other people do. There are so many people out there, all with their various different flaws and shortcomings, that it becomes an extremely unhealthy process. What I think would be better would be to just be sure that you won't make the same mistakes they made or are in the process of making.
05:01 - Coffer: That way you'll feel more relaxed about yourself and you'll teach yourself how to be a better person as well
05:16 - Nue: I don't focus on solely on the bad things of people, but after all the accepting I've had to do, it's much harder to to take notice of those positive qualities when negative thoughts linger. The realisation I can't even acknowledge why you're offering advice almost rips me apart, because the misanthropy kicks in even there. "Confirmation of self that something could be done, to prevent guilt." I'm reading your words and despite how it's phrased I can't see it as nothing more than words. There's supposed to be more but that thought process prevents me from seeing it. I feel I've kept you for far too long, 7am is no time to be waiting 10 to 40 minutes for some self-degrading paragraph of how woeful my life and views apparently are. I refuse to keep you any longer if I've lost the capacity to understand what your intentions are, since it proves that I need to fix my thoughts through unorthodox ways.
05:18 - Nue: Don't take that in the wrong way either, I understand that you're trying to help in some form. I've just lost emotion, either right now or how that's been for a while.
05:18 - Coffer: That's the problem, really. Motivation in itself is already problematic, but when you're also faced with a difficult task, one that goes against the way you think, it just gets that much harder, so I can't blame you at all. I'm trying to offer advice simply because I feel you're thinking too little of yourself, and you're putting yourself down even though you shouldn't.
05:19 - Coffer: Yeah I told you numerous times already, you're a rational person first and foremost, so especially in these cases, your less developed side (emotion) gets tossed to the side and you become unable to understand its point or its value.
05:20 - Coffer: It's just annoying that my advice doesn't seem to be helping at all. It's the worst feeling imaginable.
05:22 - Nue: It's helping, believe that. Without it I wouldn't have come to realise so much and while my choice of words may have been for the worse, it'll all prove to benefit me in the long run.
05:22 - Coffer: Hopefully. What are you planning to do now?
05:23 - Nue: I was going to go to sleep but I have to wake my sister up in two hours. So I have no idea at all.
05:23 - Coffer: Crap, I shouldn't have kept you awake then, sorry
05:24 - Nue: The reverse is far more important. You could have been revising in all this time. Exams are far more important.
05:24 - Coffer: I don't give a shit about those, you were and probably still are feeling pretty bad and I prioritize that above all else. I can manage with 1-2h less sleep than usual, and I have all the time in the world to revise.
05:29 - Nue: You say that and I just get even more confused. I can't even tell if I'm upset or not. Those attempts to become normal hardly helped, it seems (those attempts being the attempts to act against my autism).
05:31 - Coffer: You said something about self-diagnosis earlier. This last line is a strong indication that it's definitely not just self-diagnosis.
05:31 - Coffer: And yeah, you're definitely upset in case you haven't realized that. You yourself said it in one of your lines. The fact that you're not thinking about it so much is probably a result of both your mentality and possibly a sign of autism, but I can't be sure of the latter just yet.
05:32 - Coffer: But you should've told me that you have to wake your sister up in 2 hours, I would not have kept you awake if I had known that.
05:38 - Nue: I was only asked when I went outside, so I didn't know. I was indicated to have traits of autism around the age of 9-10 with it 'being so severe that medication was required'. My mother denied me from having it to prevent me from being statemented. She said that I was not autistic, nor suffering from any other behavioural disorder. Around 14-15, I started getting barely into psychology. Looked into autism and began self-comparison (which is a natural action for most people, to determine severity of symptoms). I have only just been statemented at my own request this year, around March as well as the Chronic Fatigue. The doctor agrees with me that I have Autism, though he mention of it being borderline in some areas may be a result of said attempts to 'normalise'. After my final highschool year I began listening to my own thoughts and started to become the person I am now - for better or for worse.
05:40 - Coffer: The way it looks to me is that it's highly possible that your mother didn't want to accept it, and possibly didn't know everything that went into the definition of autism either. I'm not sure how well that worked out, really. If tonight's conversation is any indication, your attempts at normalization are likely precisely why your doctor said it's only borderline in some areas.

At least you're finally starting to listen to yourself and to your own thoughts. That's a good approach to take, because it opens up a lot of options in many regards.