9:01 PM - Bloodwave: "hEY bloodwave, how do i become a staff member"
9:01 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: The only acceptable answer to that question is "If you have to ask, you will never be fit to be one"
9:01 PM - Bloodwave: "hey bloodwave, where can i contact a adin"
9:01 PM - Bloodwave: Can you explain why?
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: IF you have to ask what to do, that means you need someone to tell you how to act to become a rep/staff.
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: It should come naturally.
9:02 PM - Bloodwave: This isn't "how do i staff" it's how do i become one.
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: You "Become" one by not TRYING to become one.
9:02 PM - Bloodwave: What does that even mean.
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: You BECOME one by being yourself. If you are fit, you will be chosen, if you aren't you wont.
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: So don't ask how.
9:02 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Just play.
9:03 PM - Bloodwave: Who is choosing?
9:03 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Us?
9:05 PM - Bloodwave: So now instead of actual legitment system voided by higherup members of this community which will be judged based off the interpretation that we feel is accurate, we will have cry babys, trolls and anybody that typically is mad at them for irrelevant  reasons when regarding adminstraition. Your system was very critical, it only took a few to disagree for them to become denied.
9:05 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: ....what? No, I don't know what you are talking about.
9:05 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: By "us", I mean the staff - you, and I.
9:06 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: It's a yes/no deal.
9:06 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: No stupid voting proccess.
9:06 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: We select those who are fit.
9:08 PM - Bloodwave: Our staff aren't exactly what you can call "blue colared", they have biased opinions and it effects who becomes and who doesn't. They are the gateway to any other adminstraition to our community. Rather then letting that person meet a set of prerequistes, judged unbiasedly and questioned on their knownledgeability and allowing them to prove themselves, we resort to a selected group of people who can easily turn the table on anyone they dislike, which could be completely irrlevant for being a admin.
9:09 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: By "you and I", I literally meant "you and I". Managers of the respective server deicde.
9:09 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Sure, regular Admins can recommend people to their managers, but it's still a manageral decision.
9:10 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: The Manager should be responsable for who is doing what within their server. The Manager is selected to be a pristine example of what the server should be like.
9:11 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: If all selections are made by the Manager, the people within the server should remain uniform, and there won't be all sorts of annoying pitterpatter like you described.
9:12 PM - Bloodwave: Honestly, managers aren't paid and are quick to lose all motivation to play the server they maintain. Look at the statistics. I've known personally, that dmdunn used to be alot more active before he became a manager. Same for alex. How are they going to be able to actually pursue the selection if they don't even know who they are. And getting to know them is pointless because everyone has that "happy face" when a manager is on and they're trying to shoot for a position.
9:12 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: So you don't want a peer voting system.
9:13 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Yet you complain about people sucking up to those who you want to make the decision
9:13 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: IF they have a set of guidelines on how you want prospective staff to act, then it will be a "happy face" ALL The time!
9:15 PM - Bloodwave: This is when it becomes an issue, thats is happening anyways. If an higherup is making the COMPLETE decision they will always role with that "happy face".
9:15 PM - Bloodwave: If they completely void they're own opinion( which i would assume would be more suitable for selecting admins ) and listen to staff
9:16 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Look, I think the biggest issue we have is that all our staff don't think and act the same.
9:16 PM - Bloodwave: Then you're back into the "gateway for staff"
9:16 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: The solution to that problem is to make all staff be selected by one guy.
9:16 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: For better or worse, it's better to have one hivemind going than 50 people all acting independantly.
9:17 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: And if you have a set of guidelines, someone follows them to a T, but still aren't what we would consider fit for staff, you'd just get them complaining about how they are doing everything right and nothing is coming of it.
9:17 PM - Bloodwave: I don't know anybody who has enough time to pursue all the servers and constantly "admin hunt" and are level headed.
9:17 PM - Bloodwave: Gordon, we have more of an issue
9:17 PM - Bloodwave: We are so low on staff, its outrageous.
9:18 PM - Bloodwave: Its better to give that person a chance then to not.
9:18 PM - Bloodwave: If anything, we remove him.
9:18 PM - Bloodwave: Sooner or later we will craft a selection of good admins out of the batch.
9:18 PM - Bloodwave: Creating a minor problem, but fixing a huge one in the long run.
9:18 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: No, it's not better to give them a chance than not!
9:18 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: I'd rather have no admins on than one abusive, shitty admin!
9:19 PM - Bloodwave: If they're abusive and shitty, they will be reported and removed.
9:19 PM - Bloodwave: Its a self cleaning process.
9:19 PM - Bloodwave: This isn't just giving any average joe the staff
9:19 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: And it only takes them two minutes with all that power to ban a shitton of people, make everyone in a 50 slot server go "This community has shitty admins", and never, ever come back.
9:19 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Even if we remove the shitty admin after he fucks up, nothing will erase the memories of what he did.
9:19 PM - Bloodwave: That argument is redundant.
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: You're referring to servers that sell admin for $5
9:20 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: No police department would EVER go "we are short on cops, lets hire a bunch of guys, and just fire the cops that shoot innocents"
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: What do they do in war?
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: They draft randoms
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: when needed
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: but besides
9:20 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: War is hell, that's not the same situation at all.
9:20 PM - Bloodwave: thats also irrelevant.
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: Like said, its not just
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: "Hey, heres staff"
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: Prerequistes.
9:21 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: No it's not! You don't hire people, then fire the ones who do bad, you only hire the good ones!
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: It's a process, they aren't even offically "hired" they're given a little taste of the actual job.
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: They are limited
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: from the real deal.
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: and hand picking admins is very time consuming
9:21 PM - Bloodwave: and can lead to the same output.
9:22 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Of course it's time consuming. Anything done right is.
9:22 PM - Bloodwave: Don't be so quick to consider this system at fault.
9:22 PM - Bloodwave: I haven't found anyone who would be considered "suitable" for hand picking admins.
9:23 PM - Bloodwave: Someone with alot of time
9:23 PM - Bloodwave: Someone who is intellgent
9:23 PM - Bloodwave: Someone who is dedicated.
9:23 PM - Bloodwave: I'm not going to devote my whole time working with impacted picking admins, I barely play the servers anyways.
9:23 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: Fine. Do what you want.
9:23 PM - Bloodwave: I enjoy programming/
9:23 PM - IMP | Gordon Frohman: But remember that I disagreed with it.