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Friday, December 06, 2013
23:56 - Dellkan: Yeah hi. You contacted me regarding apac
23:57 - Heavy Bob: yeah
23:57 - Heavy Bob: you were the gent who created the prop thing?
23:57 - Dellkan: Yeah
23:57 - Heavy Bob: Right O
23:57 - Heavy Bob: So, intro
23:57 - Heavy Bob: I am Bob
23:57 - Heavy Bob: I do things
23:57 - Heavy Bob: but
23:57 - Heavy Bob: basicly
23:58 - Heavy Bob: You know how coderhire scripts get leaked all the time
23:57 - Dellkan: Hi bob. Say, I'm in a hurry. Give me the short version, would you?
23:58 - Heavy Bob: on leak.sx
23:58 - Heavy Bob: people posts shitloads of scripts
23:58 - Heavy Bob: so as an attempt to work out how many people are running a script
23:58 - Heavy Bob: we attached trackers into scripts
23:58 - Dellkan: Ah. No, not familiar with it
23:59 - Heavy Bob: http://leak.sx/
23:59 - Heavy Bob: in the free section
23:59 - Heavy Bob: there is lots of coderhire scripts which are just taken and given away
23:59 - Heavy Bob: the AntiPropKill is one of them
Saturday, December 07, 2013
00:00 - Heavy Bob: We took a few packs which were released, re-released them with a tracker code
00:00 - Heavy Bob: as an experiment to see where and who are stealing scripts
00:00 - Heavy Bob: http://216.231.139.33/st/
00:00 - Heavy Bob: LAntiPropKill is your script
00:01 - Heavy Bob: for simplicity we use put L in the start of scripts which were broadcasted in leaks
00:01 - Dellkan: Well, actually, it isn't. AntiPropKill belongs to Phoenix.
00:01 - Heavy Bob: oh?
00:01 - Heavy Bob: you sure?
00:01 - Dellkan: It's a script very similar to my own Anti prop abuse collection, though he's has been around for longer
00:01 - Dellkan: His is named AntiPropKill
00:02 - Dellkan: Or something to that effect, at least
00:02 - Heavy Bob: I contacted you via the addon file
00:02 - Heavy Bob: I am pretty sure it was you
00:03 - Heavy Bob: we call scripts certain things in relevence to what the leak was called
00:03 - Dellkan: Well, mine is offline at the moment. My subscription expired some days ago, maybe a week.
00:04 - Heavy Bob: "AddonInfo"
{
"name""Anti prop abuse collection"
"version""1.07"
"up_date""01/10/13"
"author_name""Dellkan"
"author_email""dellkan@hotmail.com"
"author_url""http://steamcommunity.com/id/dellkan"
"info""Utility tool. Prevent prop abuse in various forms."
"override""0"
}
00:04 - Heavy Bob: indeed
00:04 - Heavy Bob: we hit a few hundred scripts which were leaked
00:04 - Dellkan: Right, yeah, you used the addon info. Figured you went through coderhire. Anyway, it being leaked doesn't really surprise me, though there isn't all that much I can do to stop it
00:05 - Heavy Bob: DMCA is somthing
00:05 - Heavy Bob: we are offering infomation regarding to where the leak has gone and who is using it
00:06 - Heavy Bob: We only have 1 hit for this script
00:07 - Heavy Bob: but its still might be worth while to know about who has the scripts
00:07 - Dellkan: Might be. Got a name?
00:08 - Heavy Bob: Melonbyte.com DarkRP New Features! [CUSTOM|FASTDL|UNIQUE]
00:07 - Dellkan: Got an IP too?
00:08 - Heavy Bob: "23.19.135.48
00:08 - Heavy Bob: You might have to do some googling
00:08 - Heavy Bob: but you will find them
00:08 - Dellkan: Cheers. I'll look into it when I can. Time is, however, a luxury I don't have these days
00:09 - Heavy Bob: We want an open tracker for all devs to mark out this leaking crap
00:10 - Heavy Bob: a open service for developers to know when scripts have been leaked
00:09 - Dellkan: Thanks for bringing this to my attention, though I fear I might not be able to produce the reaction you might have expected. I simply don't have the time nor energy to go into a real hunt for these guys.
00:10 - Dellkan: That would be helpful, though, it is very likely that as soon it hit a certain popularity, monitoring bypass will become more and more common, and even standardized
00:11 - Heavy Bob: the tracker code we are using now is quite simple
00:11 - Heavy Bob: and easy to remove
00:11 - Heavy Bob: but we hope within time
00:11 - Heavy Bob: it will become a standard for all scripts
00:12 - Heavy Bob: http://216.231.139.33/st/file.php?script=LAntiPropKill
00:14 - Dellkan: It's a neat initiative, but I'm somewhat sceptical towards its effectiveness once popular or mainstream
00:15 - Heavy Bob: we don't want to be some sort of stopper
00:16 - Heavy Bob: or sheild
00:16 - Heavy Bob: we just want the infomation to be avaliable for devs
00:15 - Dellkan: Yeah, only monitoring, I know
00:17 - Heavy Bob: when we have fixed up a suitable api
00:17 - Heavy Bob: would you be interested in future script tracking?
00:18 - Dellkan: I suppose so, yeah
00:20 - Dellkan: My future in gmod coding is currently uncertain though. Time is dwindling, and I'm not sure I'll be able to continue push updates or new scripts in the future. While the numbers are interesting, you should probably look elsewhere for strong supporters
00:21 - Heavy Bob: thanks
00:21 - Heavy Bob: ;)
00:21 - Heavy Bob: I really appreciate your time to come chat with me
00:21 - Heavy Bob: Could you forward me anywhere to go
00:22 - Heavy Bob: maybe you have a friend that might be interested?
00:23 - Dellkan: Oh, right. I don't really socialize much with other developers. You could try Hobbes, author of some quite popular scripts on coderhire. He's pretty open for collaboration.
00:43 - Heavy Bob: We have forward a message to Hobbs
00:43 - Heavy Bob: and have added him
02:56 - Dellkan: Ey, yo. These leaks, any idea who's behind them?
03:00 - Heavy Bob: wel
03:00 - Heavy Bob: this system could track who leaks it
03:00 - Heavy Bob: if you want to imbed the code into some of your scripts now
03:00 - Heavy Bob: we can setup the system for you
03:00 - Heavy Bob: *we are just doing it for the QAC* gent
03:00 - Dellkan: How so? Each download would have to carry an unique ID to identify the leaker
03:01 - Heavy Bob: not each user
03:01 - Heavy Bob: but each script
03:01 - Heavy Bob: So
03:01 - Heavy Bob: which script did you run i
03:01 - Heavy Bob: it was uhh
03:01 - Heavy Bob: propkill
03:02 - Heavy Bob: http://216.231.139.33/st/file.php?script=LAntiPropKill
03:02 - Heavy Bob: so one server is running it
03:02 - Heavy Bob: say you sold it 1 time
03:02 - Heavy Bob: and 2 servers were running it
03:02 - Heavy Bob: you could assume one leaked it to the other
03:02 - Dellkan: Sure, which is practical if we're talking 1-10 sales. I've got multiple scripts closing or surpassing 100 sales.
03:03 - Heavy Bob: 100 sales
03:03 - Heavy Bob: well it would be the same system
03:03 - Heavy Bob: if you wanted
03:03 - Heavy Bob: since it also includes tracking steam ids
03:03 - Heavy Bob: you could capture say billys id
03:03 - Heavy Bob: who purchased the script
03:03 - Heavy Bob: then went to another server which is similar in design
03:03 - Heavy Bob: say
03:03 - Heavy Bob: a darkrp server
03:04 - Heavy Bob: and a few maybe a few hours
03:04 - Heavy Bob: they magicly get a leaked script
03:04 - Heavy Bob: blam
03:04 - Heavy Bob: but this would be either really coincidental
03:04 - Heavy Bob: or legit leaking
03:05 - Heavy Bob: but you would still know which server was running the script
03:05 - Heavy Bob: so its just more power to you as the dev
03:06 - Heavy Bob: understand?
03:22 - Dellkan: Yeah, I understand how it works.
04:07 - Heavy Bob is now Online.
06:53 - Heavy Bob: http://216.231.139.33/st/
06:53 - Heavy Bob: we did a few changes
06:53 - Heavy Bob: gives you more infomation
09:58 - Heavy Bob is now Online.
09:59 - Heavy Bob: delllkan
15:06 - Heavy Bob is now Online.
15:10 - Dellkan: Yeah
15:10 - Heavy Bob: how you doing pal
15:10 - Dellkan: I'm tired. Whats up?
15:11 - Heavy Bob: just thought we could chat about stuff
15:11 - Heavy Bob: we spoke to Undefined
15:11 - Heavy Bob: and he had one issue with our code
15:11 - Heavy Bob: which we are investigating a fix
15:11 - Heavy Bob: but its nothing too major
15:11 - Heavy Bob: but he is happy for our existance :)
15:12 - Heavy Bob: meanwhile
15:12 - Heavy Bob: we are tracking 48 ish servers
15:12 - Heavy Bob: with a bunch of scripts
15:12 - Heavy Bob: from distributers
15:12 - Heavy Bob: and have a semi working system
15:13 - Heavy Bob: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
15:13 - Heavy Bob: Look at gmod statistics
15:13 - Heavy Bob: 43,597 Garry's Mod Peak players
15:14 - Heavy Bob: our system has counted 4800 people
15:14 - Heavy Bob: so effectivly somthing like above 10% of total gmod players have played on a tracked server :)
15:14 - Heavy Bob: Didn't think that would be possable
15:14 - Heavy Bob: but wow
15:16 - Heavy Bob: sorry
15:16 - Heavy Bob: bosting
15:16 - Heavy Bob: ;)
15:22 - Heavy Bob is now Away.
15:23 - Dellkan: Do you have a snippet I can look at?