[21:29:45] I would (reluctantly) vote ban if cube was suspected [21:29:56] <@jukain> like cube means theres a good chance you arent running latios [21:30:15] <@jukain> so you have to pack some other keld response [21:30:21] <@jukain> stuff like that [21:30:37] <@DICE> .-. [21:30:45] <@DICE> i think the xy meta [21:30:46] <@DICE> is Fine [21:30:49] <@jukain> its rly good tho [21:30:51] <@DICE> and i dont want anything banned [21:30:53] <@DICE> =/ [21:30:53] <@jukain> no need to ban [21:31:13] <@jukain> i am on the fence about anything past here [21:31:19] including current suspects, dice? [21:31:29] <@DICE> yes [21:31:33] <@DICE> i don't think any are broken [21:31:48] <+Magnemite> I think Pinsir is a bit broken [21:31:54] <@jukain> urgh i am shifting away from [21:32:1] <@jukain> lol luc is ridiculously broken [21:32:1] <@DICE> skarm rotoms electrics like manec, talon to check [21:32:2] <@DICE> etc [21:32:3] <+Magnemite> And possibly the zards [21:32:7] <@DICE> i don't think luc is broken @ all [21:32:11] <@DICE> it's rly overrated [21:32:15] <@jukain> ^ [21:32:21] <@jukain> ...yeah [21:32:24] <@DICE> like [21:32:25] <@DICE> idk [21:32:25] mega lucario? [21:32:30] <+Subject18_> yes [21:32:35] * Subject18_ is now known as Subject18 [21:32:35] <@DICE> it's so underwhelming when i use it [21:32:41] <@DICE> and i've never built a team weak to it [21:32:42] how do skarm and rotom check it? [21:32:43] <@jukain> i agree [21:32:43] bw was too ban happy imo [21:32:45] <@DICE> it's not that pressing on teamslots [21:32:53] He's saying they check pinsir [21:32:55] <@jukain> pinsir is better [21:32:56] <@DICE> a lot of shit checks luke [21:32:57] <@jukain> n_n [21:33:11] <@jukain> idk when i build ho i use pinsir or zard [21:33:15] <@jukain> not luc [21:34:2] <+ashborer> well [21:34:3] <@jukain> oh yeah ive been facing these teams with [21:34:11] <@jukain> bisharp + mawile [21:34:11] <+ashborer> physical luke's greatest counter is lando-T who is really good and [21:34:13] <+ashborer> special luke [21:34:14] <+Subject18> DICE, did you laddering for suspect voting? [21:34:19] <@jukain> sweeping against those teams is so hard [21:34:21] <@DICE> i lost all my badges [21:34:23] <@DICE> coz i dont do shit [21:34:24] <+ashborer> is bad against aegislash and aV conk [21:34:26] <@DICE> except play tours [21:34:27] <@DICE> so no [21:34:33] <@jukain> you have bug [21:34:34] <@jukain> dice [21:34:35] <@jukain> :o [21:34:38] <+Subject18> :[ [21:34:41] <@DICE> ya but [21:34:42] <@DICE> that was just coz [21:34:43] special does as well against aegi as physical [21:34:43] <@DICE> i was like [21:34:49] <@jukain> didnt you have like 4 badges [21:34:50] <@DICE> "hey aldaron u stupid nigger gimme IS access" [21:34:56] <+ashborer> special luke [21:34:57] <@jukain> how on earth can you lose them all [21:34:58] <+ashborer> loses to aegis [21:35:3] <+ashborer> dark pulse blows too [21:35:5] <@DICE> coz i quit caring 2 contribute [21:35:8] <@DICE> zapdos / volcarona / spdef talonflame / scarf chomp / scarf gene / scarf land-t / scarf lando / physical checks are land-t / hippo / scarf heatran / healhy aegi [21:35:18] <@DICE> idk probably way more just thought of those [21:35:23] <+ashborer> gene is shaky af though [21:35:25] <@DICE> zard-y [21:35:26] <+ashborer> +2 VW does like [21:35:28] <+ashborer> nearly 80%? [21:35:32] <@DICE> if u use vacuum aegi hard walls [21:35:35] <+ashborer> zard-y dies to +2 CC [21:35:36] <@DICE> and its coomon AF [21:35:49] <@DICE> that's what is irritating [21:35:51] <@DICE> when arguing lucario [21:35:55] <@DICE> somehow u just magically get a [21:35:56] <@DICE> +2 boost [21:36:2] <+ashborer> well ok it dies to [21:36:4] <+ashborer> rocks + CC [21:36:5] <@jukain> i almost want to make an anti-ban post but i know i'll get [21:36:5] <+ashborer> or 2 CCs [21:36:8] <@jukain> laughed at [21:36:10] <@jukain> lol [21:36:16] <@DICE> yes and u have to CC [21:36:17] <+ashborer> I dont think [21:36:22] <+ashborer> luke is that good but like [21:36:25] <@DICE> which i can bring in smthin like aegi too [21:36:28] <@DICE> its just like [21:36:29] <+ashborer> zard-y is a shit check [21:36:42] <@DICE> "the luc user has to have rocks, predict perfectly, have the perfect set" [21:36:42] <@DICE> zzzzzz [21:36:45] it really doesn't matter what people think, i don't think anything can save luke in ou now [21:36:55] <@DICE> too early in the meta to decide the fate of such a controversial mon [21:36:59] <+Magnemite> Yeah [21:37:0] <@DICE> when shitty teambuilding primarily is why ppl can't [21:37:2] <@DICE> beat it [21:37:3] <@jukain> i mean [21:37:5] too many people against it [21:37:12] <@jukain> nobody has made a serious antiban post [21:37:16] <@jukain> in the entire suspect thread [21:37:16] <+Magnemite> ^ [21:37:21] <+Magnemite> Exactly [21:37:26] <+ashborer> I dont get why people say its that obviously broken I mean [21:37:26] <@jukain> thats why its gonna get banned [21:37:28] <+ashborer> it actually has cehcks [21:37:29] <+ashborer> kanga [21:37:31] <+ashborer> has no checks [21:37:35] <@DICE> coz no one halfway decent [21:37:36] <+ashborer> that pokemon was outrageous [21:37:38] <@DICE> reads that f*cking thread [21:37:39] it's really just a mindless offensive sweeper that's impossible to counter outright. Nothing of value would be lost by banning it. [21:37:46] <@DICE> u also said [21:37:50] <+ashborer> its not mindless [21:37:51] <+ashborer> you have to [21:37:53] <+ashborer> set it up! [21:37:53] <@DICE> deo-s was a mindless hazards spammer [21:37:55] <+ashborer> that takes some [21:37:55] <@DICE> being "mindless" [21:37:57] <@DICE> isn't justification [21:37:57] <+ashborer> actual [21:37:59] <+ashborer> thought [21:37:59] <@DICE> for being bannable [21:38:0] <+ashborer> to try and [21:38:7] <@DICE> and it's not mindless [21:38:12] <@jukain> deo-s < deo-d [21:38:15] <@jukain> :o [21:38:17] <@DICE> "good HO teams" are the hardest teams to make [21:38:19] <+ashborer> I found the best place to set up was mega venu because idiots run giga drain / SB lel [21:38:21] <@DICE> i disagree but wutevz [21:38:31] what good does it contribute to the metagame? Giving teams an all-around way of stomping defensive teams into the dust? [21:38:31] <+ashborer> also I gotta say [21:38:34] <+ashborer> luke requires a lot of support [21:38:35] <+ashborer> it [21:38:36] <+ashborer> fucking [21:38:37] <@jukain> like what makes hazards deo-s [21:38:38] <+ashborer> blows against aegislash [21:38:39] <+ashborer> really bad [21:38:39] <@jukain> better [21:38:43] <+ashborer> I need to run pursuit sharp alongside it [21:38:47] <+ashborer> to save moveslots on it [21:38:48] <@jukain> i can't figure it out [21:38:57] <+Subject18> [21:38:17] <@DICE> "good HO teams" are the hardest teams to make [21:39:5] <+Subject18> I always said stall [21:39:5] <@jukain> o tru that [21:39:8] <@DICE> stall is easy [21:39:8] <+Subject18> was the hardest [21:39:9] It was pretty ridiculous when +2 luc ohko'd phys def hippo with cc [21:39:9] <@DICE> lol [21:39:11] <@DICE> imo [21:39:19] <@DICE> i mean since lucario is being banned anyway [21:39:23] <@DICE> u all can have my luc team if u wanna try it [21:39:26] <@DICE> one of the betters 1s [21:39:27] <@DICE> http://puu.sh/6SSlM.txt [21:39:31] <+Subject18> well I dont normally play stall [21:39:41] good riddance to megaluke, I say. Piece of shit does nothing good for the meta. [21:39:41] <@jukain> stall isnt that hard honestly [21:39:42] I think stall is harder to build, ho is harder to play [21:40:1] <@jukain> pinpointing a ho build [21:40:4] <+Subject18> DICE, is that the team you used [21:40:7] <@jukain> without being totally cookie cutter [21:40:12] <@jukain> is hard [21:40:12] <+Subject18> against Shooting starmie [21:40:17] <@DICE> no [21:40:26] <+ashborer> did any of you try [21:40:29] <+ashborer> work up luke? [21:40:30] <@DICE> i might have used it game [21:40:32] <@DICE> game 3* [21:40:34] <+ashborer> CC / espeed / flash cannon [21:40:35] <@DICE> idk [21:40:37] <@DICE> i have a lot of teams [21:40:42] <@jukain> fuzz did [21:40:44] <@jukain> i did.l [21:40:45] <+ashborer> aura sphere was too fuckn weak [21:40:48] <+ashborer> focus blast [21:40:49] <+ashborer> on NP [21:40:50] <@jukain> it does wor [21:40:50] work up luke wouldn't break much of anything [21:40:51] <+ashborer> was unreal [21:40:53] <+ashborer> when it hit [21:40:54] it's like - let's give a pokemon that's already good a trolly speed tier, and adaptability to accompany a 120 BP STAB attack. Just. No. [21:40:55] <+ashborer> oml that was strong [21:40:59] <+Subject18> Agility Luke if real [21:41:0] <+Subject18> imo [21:41:1] <+TRC> smb did yuo get your OM approved? [21:41:11] <+ashborer> agility luke blows [21:41:18] <+Subject18> and yeah DICE, I agree [21:41:20] <@jukain> focus blast luc [21:41:24] <@jukain> is that a joke [21:41:30] <+Subject18> the more I've played againt luke [21:41:30] nah, the mods that I sent it to haven't gotten to it yet, apparently [21:41:37] <+Subject18> I dont think its nearly as bad [21:41:39] <@jukain> yeah [21:41:41] <+TRC> ah ok [21:41:45] <@jukain> i mean i was [21:41:46] <+Subject18> as it was like 2 months ago [21:41:53] <@jukain> starkly pro ban [21:41:56] <@jukain> on everything [21:41:59] <@jukain> but like [21:42:5] <@jukain> the suspect meta sucks [21:42:13] <@DICE> deo-s isn't hard to beat if u have a decent team [21:42:15] <@DICE> use like [21:42:15] are you talking about BW OU? [21:42:15] <@DICE> lead gene [21:42:17] <+Subject18> ^ [21:42:18] <@DICE> it's pretty antimeta [21:42:23] <@DICE> or like [21:42:24] <@DICE> ttar [21:42:25] <@DICE> and crunch [21:42:41] <@DICE> its pretty easy to pinpoint whether or not its attacker deo-s or not [21:42:41] deoxys-S isn't that threatening, imo. I hate Deoxys-D a lot more. [21:42:46] lo smashes both though [21:42:49] <@DICE> deo-d is the same as in bw [21:42:50] <+TRC> ^^ [21:42:52] <+Subject18> ^ [21:42:54] <@DICE> and i didnt think it was bannable [21:42:55] <@DICE> in bw [21:42:57] <@DICE> but whatever [21:43:3] <@jukain> ok why is deo-s [21:43:6] <@jukain> at all better [21:43:9] <@jukain> at hazards [21:43:12] <@DICE> coz fast???