1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: so can you play tonight
1:29 PM - cyzer: i hate cevo
1:29 PM - cyzer: but i guess
1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: why
1:29 PM - cyzer: it's an idiotic concept
1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: not really
1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: 1 league is an idiotic concept
1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: replacing esea is an idiotic concept
1:29 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: both are fine though
1:30 PM - cyzer: and people seem to forget they let a cheating admin run it for it's strong run
1:30 PM - cyzer: and did nothing to stop him from cheating
1:30 PM - cyzer: and letting his own team win everything
1:30 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i dont think 80% of the people were around when that happened
1:30 PM - cyzer: cevo is a pile of shit and doesn't care any more about the community than esea does
1:30 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i personally never heard of it, i just know they did something
1:30 PM - cyzer: and having competiting leagues with 4 matches a week is again, stupid
1:31 PM - cyzer: also the fact that quickfix hasn't been instant banned is mindboggling
1:31 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: did you see the community vote
1:32 PM - cyzer: that weapon that made us so woefully unprepared for i49 because the community is retarded and didn't ban it right away
1:32 PM - cyzer: community polls are again silly and can be gamed
1:32 PM - cyzer: i actually prefer when killing asks invite captains and im not even in invite anymore
1:32 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: ya
1:32 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i prefer that too
1:33 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: I WILL SAY THOUGH
1:33 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: that while i cant change your opinion
1:33 PM - cyzer: i think the fact that cevo exists and is actively pulling open teams away from esea is going to kill the community
1:33 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: its not the same management at all
1:33 PM - cyzer: twitch john agrees with me
1:33 PM - cyzer: i've played since q3 back in like 98
1:33 PM - cyzer: esea has been the pinnacle of competitive gaming for a long while
1:33 PM - cyzer: the game needs a lan
1:34 PM - cyzer: and people are too stupid to see the motivation aspect of having a lan and a grand competition to aspire to
1:34 PM - cyzer: thinking open players have no desire to get there which is painfully untrue because everyone has a competitive side
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: yep
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: lol
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i mean
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i agree with you to an extent
1:34 PM - cyzer: quake died because it has no lans
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: but i feel cevo should still exist
1:34 PM - cyzer: quakecon chose to do something other than quake
1:34 PM - cyzer: and quake never recovered
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: competition is good, but people shouldnt be like
1:34 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: "ooo we should quit esea"
1:35 PM - cyzer: it shouldn't, it's only purpose is to actively boycott esea
1:35 PM - cyzer: that's what spawned it's idea
1:35 PM - cyzer: it's not healthy competition
1:35 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: in one sense you cant blame them though
1:35 PM - cyzer: i can
1:35 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: esea pissing everyone off, perfect time to try and push it
1:35 PM - cyzer: bitcoin effected zero people in tf2
1:35 PM - cyzer: none
1:35 PM - cyzer: the malware client isn't evading peoples rights
1:36 PM - cyzer: and lpkane has zero interaction with tf2ers unless you actively seek him out
1:36 PM - cyzer: and as a person who has a negative history with that guy
1:36 PM - cyzer: it's on you if you go and provoke him
1:36 PM - cyzer: people may get in to open because their friends play
1:36 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: this all reminds me of a situation
1:36 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: cant think of what
1:36 PM - cyzer: that's how i started tf2
1:36 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: like hl pug irc?
1:36 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: or something
1:36 PM - cyzer: but i kept going because of competitive desire
1:36 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: where the admin was banning steveC
1:37 PM - cyzer: and that's how most people who stay in the game think
1:37 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: yeah
1:37 PM - cyzer: SteveC is an attention whore idiot
1:37 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: yes
1:38 PM - cyzer: i am seriously considering asking for a refund from cevo and letting you guys pick up someone who wants to do cevo
1:38 PM - cyzer: because again, killing the community is not something i like to do
1:38 PM - cyzer: and cevo died for a reason
1:38 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: lol.
1:39 PM - cyzer: it took a lot of my restraint not to say anything when lange asked me to donate my open winnings to cevo
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: oh yeah now that i
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: definitely wouldnt do
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: ll
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: lol
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: my stance still
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: is to treat cevo like ugc
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: just another league to consider
1:39 PM - cyzer: ugc is like the minor leagues
1:40 PM - cyzer: cevo is branding itself as an alternative
1:39 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: esea > cevo > ugc
1:40 PM - cyzer: cevo is a for profit company, at least it has been for 95% of it's run
1:40 PM - cyzer: and people throwing money at cevo's prize pool is the funniest thing in the world
1:40 PM - cyzer: as it's not a charity
1:41 PM - cyzer: let's see how sustainable that is
1:41 PM - cyzer: anyway i just felt like ranting
1:41 PM - cyzer: sorry
1:41 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: ITS FINE
1:41 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i cant say i entirely agree but i also dont disagree to an extent
1:42 PM - cyzer: i saw quake 3 die and i loved that game
1:42 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: i think
1:42 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: cevo just approached this incorrectly??
1:42 PM - cyzer: i just dont like seeing it happen to tf2
1:42 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: but they had to because they'd get nothing if they didnt
1:42 PM - Whisker :> | tipofthehats.org: which doesnt justify it
1:42 PM - cyzer: i ran so many leagues and ircs and all that
1:42 PM - cyzer: i was a network admin for irc.enterthegame.com
1:42 PM - cyzer: i was a paid admin for GGL.com
1:42 PM - cyzer: got flown to NYC and san fran to run events
1:43 PM - cyzer: i know how unsustainable e-sports as a whole is
1:43 PM - cyzer: esea is the ONE league to do it
1:43 PM - cyzer: MLG might be but i heard they're kind of fucked
1:43 PM - cyzer: GGL had massive endorsements and flamed out so hard
1:43 PM - cyzer: so did that one directtv league
1:43 PM - cyzer: CEVO has died and come back so many times with so many different owners
1:44 PM - cyzer: might as well name it CALeague/CPL