Sean: If you mount it by the coordinate center, ie the mount
Sean: Theres more shit infront of it.
Sean: Its quite a bit bigger.
ALMS: lol
karbine: tracks off
ALMS: u can recess you cannons and add a counter weight 
Sean: Because that doesn't ruin the depression or anything.
Tsundere Rintsu: put it side by side pls
ALMS: nope
[DB] Shamen: lel
Sean: Yes.. It does ALMS.
ALMS: well duh
ALMS: do you need -45 degs anyways?
Fervidusletum: I suppose if you're making really flat turrets it would
ALMS: lol
Fervidusletum: but not a big deal for people who build normal sized tanks
REMEMBER: Save early, save often. 
Tsundere Rintsu: which is not uberdude
Sean: Define "normal"
ALMS: lol
Fervidusletum: not flat
ALMS: lolol
Sean: Because on FRS the "normal" is 1/4 the size it should be.
Tsundere Rintsu: that's because FRS can't into proper combart
Sean: Minus Hugo, from what I've seen.
[DB] Shamen: combart
Fervidusletum: because most people minmax and build flat
Sean: He builds OK sized tanks.
Tsundere Rintsu: hugo builds huge-o
Shellnew has connected.
Fervidusletum: so this is bad because it makes flat tanks harder to build?
Bubbus: lol
karbine: you all just build hulls with cosmetic turrets
Sean: That's going off on a tangent and not at all related to what I said
Tsundere Rintsu: i put ammo in
Tsundere Rintsu: as often as i can
Sean: If you have it mounted by the coordinate center, the new model has a lot more shit added infront of it.
Sean: And on a lot of tanks that are already made, that leaves more exposed.
Tsundere Rintsu: yeah but being easy to hit isn't the problem
Sean: Also, it makes the barrel comically longer/thicker.
Tsundere Rintsu: which to be honest
Tsundere Rintsu: i'm not going to be aiming for the gun unless i'm like
Tsundere Rintsu: point blank and even then
Sean: Aiming for the gun is a douche move.
Sean: Aiming to kill the gun, I mean.
Tsundere Rintsu: i tend to disagree
Fervidusletum: *valid tactic
Sean: Not at ACF combat distances. If you get to brawling within 20 meters it doesn't matter what armor you have
Sean: Whoever has the biggest gun can just shoot your gun off and its over.
Fervidusletum: if I'm up against a tank with bullshit angles, I have no problem aiming for gun or wheels
ALMS: then that's what you should do
ALMS: because it works
Shellnew: Hell friends
Shellnew: err Hello*
Fervidusletum: hell shell
Shellnew: HELL to all
ALMS: hell !??
Tsundere Rintsu: THAT SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE HEIL
ALMS: Heil
ALMS: lol
Sean: Thats what you should do what? Lose by default because the other guy has a bigger gun?
Shellnew: I see we're building some tonks in here
ALMS: that's how it goes sean
Sean: No, it isnt.
Sean: That's stupidly oversimplifying it.
Tsundere Rintsu: you don't necessarily lose when the other guy has a bigger gun
Bubbus: no, we're arguing about tanks lol
ALMS: nope
Sean: If it comes to shooting the guys gun off, pretty much.
ALMS: i know
Shellnew: The great tonk debate....
Tsundere Rintsu: and if you play on FRS you know that most people don't stick to weight classes on ther
ALMS: but saying "it's a douche move" is dumb
Bubbus: i lost to tris yesterday in my 203 big donger, he had his 100mm td
[DB] Shamen: im building, these guys are flexing their E-peens at each other while hitting each other in the jaw over and over.
Bubbus: therefore i'm 2.03x more likely to win
Sean: That isn't relevant at all Bubbus.
REMEMBER: Save early, save often. 
ALMS: use anything to your advantage.. 
Tsundere Rintsu: well it is
Fervidusletum: Lol
Sean: No it isnt?
Tsundere Rintsu: because it refutes your argument
Shellnew: Waxx beats me constantly because he's a better build and tank fighter, regardless of what I pilot.
Sean: He says he lost and points out that he has a bigger gun.
Shellnew: builder*
Sean: That is totally irrelevant
Sean: They werent brawling and trying to shoot eachothers gun off.
Sean: If you WERE brawling and trying to shoot eachothers gun off, the guy with the bigger gun will more than likely win.
Bubbus: actually he did brawl with me lol
Sean: Did he try to shoot your gun off.
Bubbus: dat td manouverability
Bubbus: that's what i'm saying lol
Sean: Did he?
Bubbus: who aims for the gun
Bubbus: nobody has ever aimed for the gun
[DB] Shamen: i have
ALMS: lmao
Sean: People have, and it's a dick move.
[DB] Shamen: its an easy win
ALMS: no it's not
ALMS: it's a tactic that works
Bubbus: lol
Sean: Just like using an RPG works in infantry combat.
Tsundere Rintsu: valid tactics: flanking, getting my wheels, shooting my gun
[DB] Shamen: once you get their main gun most people dont have any weapon to fight with.
Bubbus: how do you even
Tsundere Rintsu: not valid tactics: pancaking because you're a tool
Sean: Not to mention that it typically breaks their turret
Sean: And it spins on its own
Bubbus: gun is p difficult target imo
ALMS: lol
Tsundere Rintsu: i wouldn't aim for the gun
Tsundere Rintsu: too unreliable
Sean: Its not hard to shoot someones 120+ when youre close.
Sean: Not hard at all
ALMS: have u guys played AoE 2?
Sean: Plus you can spam the fuck out of it with your coaxial.
Tsundere Rintsu: i'd rather aim for something easier
Bubbus: ok then next time i will aim for the gun
Tsundere Rintsu: like their cheek
Tsundere Rintsu: bubbus pls
Bubbus: if i lose can i come and cry
Tsundere Rintsu: not my donger
Fervidusletum: sounds like you know a lot about shooting at guns sean.  suspsiciously like you've done it before :v
Bubbus: oooooOOOOOOOOOh
[DB] Shamen: rekt
Fervidusletum: thems FIGHTIN WORDS
Tsundere Rintsu: faito