[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:25:42] <TicClick> I thought it's common to review people's behaviour, hence why I said "check"
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:07] <PortalLife> I'm talking about staff
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:10] <TicClick> I know
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:11] <PortalLife> You are one so youd probably know
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:18] <PortalLife> But I didnt because im not in that circle
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:23] <TicClick> duh
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:44] <PortalLife> so thats why I said what i said
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:26:56] <PortalLife> It seems all to be shrouded in mystery and mist
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:05] <PortalLife> say if there was a power abuse, the average user 
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:09] <PortalLife> wouldnt know what to do about it
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:21] <PortalLife> cause theres nothing on the wiki or site that outlines any prodecures for such a thing
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:31] <TicClick> probably because you don't need to know about the internal stuff and relationships inside the team
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:35] <TicClick> hmmmmm
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:27:53] <TicClick> good point; might add something on wiki about the abuse
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:28:12] <PortalLife> We dont need to know that
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:28:26] <PortalLife> but we need to know if staff are actually competent
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:28:35] <PortalLife> so we can be assured we're getting quality moderation
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:28:58] <PortalLife> It looks a lot better if you tell the popluace that our staff are reviewed for any sort of problems such as attutide/behavioiur/power usage etc
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:29:16] <TicClick> well, they are usually competent, else they wouldn't have been chosen in the first place
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:29:34] <PortalLife> You could say that but; we dont know how people are selected either
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:29:49] <PortalLife> having transpency on these things would improve things massively
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:30:06] <PortalLife> We dont need to know all the internal affairs stuff
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:31:10] <PortalLife> Im not trying to accuse you or the entire staff of being power abusers
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:31:23] <PortalLife> But I have seen and been subject to very questionable vague rulings
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:31:38] <TicClick> what do you mean by transparency? A list of reasons why we chose X to moderate #channel/s?
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:31:46] <PortalLife> What i mean is
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:32:22] <PortalLife> Prehaps some detail on how staff are selected; the regluations they may be subject to (rules for moderators basically to keep them in check so they dont go overboard with their silences)
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:32:46] <PortalLife> Some detail on how to complain/report staff if you feel like they have abused their power
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:32:48] <PortalLife> thats all really
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:33:07] <PortalLife> it would also cause some of the problematic mods to think twice before they do something like silence
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:33:22] <PortalLife> because right now, it seems to me they can do what they like in channels without much consequence
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:33:36] <PortalLife> But I may be very wrong annd I just didnnt know; this would relate back to transparency
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:34:15] <TicClick> tell me more about your view. Where do you expect all this to be? Like, a special page or something?
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:34:39] <PortalLife> Somewhere on the osu! wiki I guess
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:34:48] <PortalLife> Seems like the approriate place to do it
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:35:20] <TicClick> yea
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:35:45] <PortalLife> Basically: I dont agree with how IRC is moderated for the most part.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:35:56] <PortalLife> The main things that feed into this is:
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:36:03] <PortalLife> 1: #osu is autojoined by everyone that logs into osu!
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:36:16] <PortalLife> so you get loads of new players or non english speakers kinda all like dumped in
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:36:34] <PortalLife> And causes a fair bit of problems that require some heavy moderation to take care of it.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:36:53] <PortalLife> Solution would be to have #osu not be autojoined when you start the game.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:37:05] <PortalLife> That'd filter out a lot of problems in a ethical manner
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:38:44] <PortalLife> ...
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:38:46] <PortalLife> you see modhelp?
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:38:53] <TicClick> I do
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:38:58] <PortalLife> This is the kinda thing that brought me to complain about th is.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:38:59] <PortalLife> http://puu.sh/7oM2O.png
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:39:21] <PortalLife> I had more to say, but this may just sum it all up.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:39:44] <TicClick> some people find it entertaining to endlessly complain and argue with the staff
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:39:47] <TicClick> "[16:38:33] <Mezzaten> You're here to moderate
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:39:48] <TicClick> [16:38:35] <Mezzaten> not to silence"
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:40:04] <TicClick> instead of taking the hint and stopping the unproductive talk
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:40:34] <PortalLife> Well, to his defense Zallius may of just said something very conversial
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:40:41] <TicClick> I'll see what I can do about wiki; mind that it'll be defined after I discuss that with someone else
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:40:42] <PortalLife> something that'd stir up that kind of relitation
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:40:48] <TicClick> I see
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:41:45] <PortalLife> My points after that were gonnna be that the IRC rules arent comphrensive enough to cover what you can be silenced for
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:42:03] <PortalLife> And that some of the moderators are nnot impartial and silence for personal/emotional things it seems.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 16:42:17] <PortalLife> But #modhelp just may sum it up really.
[2014 | Mar 09 | 17:03:24] <PortalLife> Thank you for hearing me out and not dismissing it
[2014 | Mar 09 | 17:04:59] <TicClick> np