[8:54:34 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: you up to date in [gen]?
[8:56:11 PM] Hylech (brenth): Uh, nope.
[8:56:17 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: nvm
[8:56:23 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: dont worry bout it then
[8:56:29 PM] Hylech (brenth): What's going on?
[8:56:47 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: meh, probably shouldnt be going around talking bout it
[8:57:04 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'm fine with keeping my mouth shut if you feel you need to talk about it.
[8:57:06 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: just kinda getting sick of nameless being passive agressive
[8:57:59 PM] Hylech (brenth): What, in Gen?
[8:58:31 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: towards me everywhere
[8:58:32 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: :I
[8:58:41 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: http://puu.sh/7vD95.txt
[8:59:43 PM] Hylech (brenth): I don't exactly get it
[8:59:49 PM] Hylech (brenth): Also, speaking of staying up to date
[8:59:50 PM] Hylech (brenth): http://puu.sh/7vD4i/42a6073e59.png
[9:00:38 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: dunno, kinda feels like he's trying to bait an argument here
[9:00:53 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: not to mention he's pretty much explicitly stated he hates me
[9:01:03 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: and has been playing passive agressive for months
[9:02:10 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: here's another fine example http://puu.sh/7nKpT
>come into chat
>"hug" everyone in the chat, explicitly typing out their names, except for me
[9:03:58 PM] Hylech (brenth): :|
[9:04:03 PM] Hylech (brenth): Dudes have problems in this chat
[9:04:12 PM] Hylech (brenth): And that itself is starting to annoy me
[9:04:17 PM] Hylech (brenth): This 'favoritism'
[9:04:24 PM] Hylech (brenth): No more everybody loves everybody
[9:04:54 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: it's not even favoritism
[9:05:25 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he literally decided to hate me because i was trying to get him to open up about his feelings/problems that he kept whining to us about
[9:07:14 PM] Hylech (brenth): At that point I would have directly confronted him extremely tactfully
[9:08:19 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: by trying to get him to open up this means pretty much just reminding him that he is welcome to share his problems with us and that it might help him feel better or we may even be able to help
[9:08:41 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: apparently he sees trying to be a friend as a bad thing
[9:08:53 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: so i have stopped trying to be a friend to him
[9:09:09 PM] Hylech (brenth): At this point, I believe he just wants his problems to disappear and us constanatly reminding him that he has these problems isn't helping, I guess
[9:09:25 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: if that were the case he wouldnt have been constantly whining about them to us
[9:09:34 PM] Hylech (brenth): And when he starts bitching
[9:09:35 PM] Hylech (brenth): I leave
[9:09:37 PM] Hylech (brenth): Simple as that
[9:09:51 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: it pretty much seems that he craves attention and has been taught that he recieves it by whining
[9:09:59 PM] Hylech (brenth): I wouldn't think of it like that
[9:10:05 PM] Hylech (brenth): That won't help your views of him
[9:10:08 PM] Hylech (brenth): And I doubt it
[9:10:11 PM] Hylech (brenth): Like I said
[9:10:12 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he has stated that he was a middle child and was mostly ignored
[9:10:22 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: that he was never really given things
[9:10:28 PM] Hylech (brenth): Then simply don't respond when he starts whining.
[9:10:35 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: exactly
[9:11:43 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: but it doesnt really help that the main body of the chat keeps giving him attention
[9:13:22 PM] Hylech (brenth): And you now have one of the reasons I'm simply not around, besides during work
[9:13:36 PM] Hylech (brenth): As fun as it is to RP, I'm glad I don't make this chat a huge part of my life
[9:13:55 PM] Hylech (brenth): It seriously just seems silly you'd care about it, I mean, simply because he's in it
[9:14:10 PM] Hylech (brenth): I don't mean to be a dick about it but, seriously, it really does seem silly
[9:14:29 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: we were friends
[9:14:56 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: and he suddenly hated me because i tried to care about him
[9:15:09 PM] Hylech (brenth): I doubt it was sudden.
[9:15:17 PM] Hylech (brenth): People's tensions flare up when all they do is sit in this chat.
[9:15:22 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: suddenly i'm the villian, the cause of all his problems
[9:15:36 PM] Hylech (brenth): Has he ever said that?
[9:16:00 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: pretty much
[9:17:17 PM] Hylech (brenth): Well, you have overreacted, as well as the others have to recent.. 'events'
[9:17:33 PM] Hylech (brenth): However, I do believe he's overreacted to what you're doing entirely
[9:17:42 PM] Hylech (brenth): It's hard to blame him because his mind isn't sound
[9:19:10 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: [Monday, March 3, 2014 9:45 PM] Nameless: 

<<< Shortly said, from my viewpoint, Zangoose has gotten more and more arrogant and selfish annoying asshole.
[9:20:13 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he is literally trying to say that the entire problem is that he claims i forced him into doing things when i only suggest things and always remind him he has a choice
[9:21:34 PM] Hylech (brenth): At that I'd apologize for it if you haven't
[9:21:54 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: nameless doesnt listen or care for appology
[9:22:00 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: i saw how he acted around mgs
[9:22:21 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'm not even sure what happened with that, besides mgs just acting autistic
[9:22:23 PM] Hylech (brenth): or something
[9:23:45 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: mgs shared rp logs a couple times when nameless asked him not to
was nameless wrong in being upset? no
did mgs do something wrong here and break nameless' trust? yes
did mgs ever do it after that incident? no
did mgs try to make up? yes

i still dont even see them talk much
[9:24:10 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: nameless literally has zero ability to let things go
[9:24:22 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he holds grudges forever
[9:24:59 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: and i'm not going to care or try to make up if that's the kind of person he's going to be
[9:25:03 PM] Hylech (brenth): It would seem like it.
[9:25:26 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: to make friends you have to be a friend
[9:25:50 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: and nameless does not act like a friend, not to mention he hates me for trying to be a friend
[9:26:13 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he blames me for things i asked his consent for many times over
[9:26:39 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'd rather not be the cunt in the situation, but in that case I'd simply remove the drama / source
[9:27:07 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: to be honest
[9:27:30 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he also keeps complaining about how much gen upsets him and such
[9:27:39 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: but yet he stays there
[9:27:40 PM] Hylech (brenth): Why should he care?
[9:27:49 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: i dunno
[9:28:11 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: tbh next time he bitches about that i'll be strongly tempted to just boot him then
[9:28:26 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: but i feel like other people will just get pissed at me
[9:28:33 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: even if i quote him on it
[9:29:33 PM] Hylech (brenth): It's inevitable that some will, that 'hurr durr I liked him, whuh why would you do such a horrid thing', but there's not much of a chance if nobody really listens to him.
[9:29:52 PM | Edited 9:30:57 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'll be honest, I'm much less tolerable towards that kind of crap, though the group I run isn't this
[9:30:50 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: imma tell you now
artguy might leave, jolty will get pissed, others probably will be like wtf
it'd be a plentyful source of drama
[9:31:32 PM] Hylech (brenth): Hylech (brenth) shrugs
[9:31:38 PM] Hylech (brenth): Nothing I can do to help, unfortunately
[9:31:47 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: you're doing plenty
[9:31:49 PM] Hylech (brenth): It's up to you and I understand your deicions
[9:31:50 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: thank you
[9:32:03 PM] Hylech (brenth): You explained your position on this well enough for me to.
[9:32:06 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: i just need someone to talk to really
[9:32:29 PM] Hylech (brenth): For the group I run, if they constantly bitch and moan I usually remove them before people start to like them
[9:32:34 PM] Hylech (brenth): Call it douchey, I call it preventive
[9:32:39 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: thing is
[9:32:50 PM] Hylech (brenth): Well, he was there before this group was around
[9:32:52 PM] Hylech (brenth): I understand
[9:33:04 PM] Hylech (brenth): To remove him would be removing a large portion
[9:33:07 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: nameless gets people to like him
[9:33:11 PM] Hylech (brenth): I don't see how
[9:33:24 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'll get snuggly with him, but it's just talk.
[9:33:28 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'm not sure.
[9:33:35 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: that's the thing
[9:33:44 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'll get snuggly with everyone just to do so, so whaterver
[9:34:40 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he
a) is around
b) participates in a generally positive manner
c) is something which tends to be viewd as a sympathetic character
[9:34:59 PM] Hylech (brenth): Mhm.
[9:35:18 PM] Hylech (brenth): I generally sympathize with those that have problems too, because I feel the need to help them out
[9:35:32 PM] Hylech (brenth): But once I realize they can't be helped, I at realize that and simply ignore their problems
[9:35:37 PM] Hylech (brenth): People here just aren't like that.
[9:35:47 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he doesnt want to be helped
[9:35:51 PM | Edited 9:35:55 PM] ◥▶◀◤ zangoose: he wants to cause drama
[9:36:47 PM] Hylech (brenth): I'm almost tempted to give him a warning myself